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Old 31st Dec 2018, 08:58
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Just in case you were wondering, as I was -
What did the spectators mean, booing Adam Goodes ,when they said he's a 'flog' ... Flog is a slang term for WAN***, itself meaning someone who's up himself, getting ideas above his station.
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 10:01
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Read the book. Most of it was about his childhood, growing up, becoming a pilot etc. I only remember towards the middle/end of the book being about the QF32 incident. Don't know the guy nor am I a pilot, but didn't read too much into it. I'm guessing it was aimed more at the genrgen public that doesn't know about aviation other than what they read in the media..
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 22:30
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Ru16, I think you'll find that the 146 captain in question was a total flog also

I think that comment is a little unfair, perhaps ? The chap in question (PS) and I were on the same intake and I knew him reasonably well. Generally a quiet and considered personality. I never had an opportunity to observe his flying but I suspect he would have been more than generally competent and a reasonable manager in the cockpit ?

From my limited knowledge of the incident it appears that his management of the situation warranted a "good show" call rather than your opprobrium
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Might be worth a read of the ATSB report https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...200286_001.pdf .. especially the bit about night, thunderstorms, handflying and limited panel. For sure, I would not have desired to swap shoes with the left seater on that occasion ...
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 13:04
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Originally Posted by RodH View Post
Made my skin crawl..
Pathetic!!!!
You know what makes my skin crawl? Taking the time to bag a person in the same profession as you.

Everyone always laments the decline of aviation culture in Australia. This kind of sad drivel contributes directly to this decline. We should all support each other.

You should be ashamed of yourselves. This thread shows you are all pathetic.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion View Post
I was chatting to an Airbus Safety investigator about this incident a few months after and he said that Airbus were a bit dismayed as to why it took so long to get the aircraft back on the ground as there were no longer runways available for them to return to but a lot of time was wasted trying to find the perfect mix of entries to the performance software to generate a result that showed they could land when in reality the fiddling with the numbers didnít change the reality of the situation just meant lots more time spent in the air with a LAND ASAP. He also said that the crew hadnít done anything extra special and that any average A380 crew could have recovered the aircraft safely, I got the feeling this was a bit of a dig at the QF32 Captain who was on a bit of a book tour at the time spreading the story that he pretty much single handily recovered the crippled aircraft against all odds.
To pick up on this, it is my understanding that the key problem they were exacerbating as they kept the plane in the air was that the lateral weight discrepancy (due to fuel not being consumed evenly on each side and crossfeed impossible) was increasing. I would be interested to know what the crew considered as their "Plan B" if they couldn't make the computer find a performance setting that they could stop within the longest runway's available distance. Were they just going to fly the plane until it rolled over? This seems ridiculous relative to a low-energy overrun.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 19:01
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Originally Posted by Hamley View Post
You know what makes my skin crawl? Taking the time to bag a person in the same profession as you.

Everyone always laments the decline of aviation culture in Australia. This kind of sad drivel contributes directly to this decline. We should all support each other.

You should be ashamed of yourselves. This thread shows you are all pathetic.
Hamley.
Your either a friend of his or you simply have failed to comprehend what virtually everyone replying to the thread has said about this fellow and his apparent lack of vanity or professionalism.
The pilots who have actually flown with him can't all be wrong in their criticism and the rest of us except yourself just have to listen or read what he says to be justifiably critical.
Not really hard to comprehend if you open your eyes and mind.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 21:16
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You should be ashamed of yourself. This thread shows you are pathetic.
- (slight edit)

Now stand out in the corridor till this period is over. And if I ever hear you again saying anything bad about a person, such as calling him a FIGJAM . . .. it will be six of the best for you my boy.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 21:16
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Wow! Tough crowd here. Do you all really think it’s so important to publicly ridicule someone who may, or may not, have a high opinion of himself? If that is your criterion for criticising someone you are going to be very busy.

I don’t know him at all, but I have read his book. As I read it he shared the credit for the successful outcome amongst all 5 on the flight deck. There is even a bit of self deprecating humour at the end too.

There are many people in the world who try to rise above the rest by pulling them all down. Lots of people posting in this thread suffer from that personality defect in my opinion.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 21:54
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
I've always wondered what the outcome may have been had there been only two occupants on the flight deck to handle the work load.
I'd expect it would have been exactly the same. Depending up which two, possibly with a lot less fuss.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 21:57
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Originally Posted by Chocks Away View Post
* The same scenario was replicated in the sim, to which everyone failed, even after all the criticism of him?
It was never replicated as a sim exercise. So, nobody failed it.

I flew it about two days after the event, once we'd heard the list of failures. It was interesting, but not outlandish.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 02:33
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A fair debate indeed!

All views were presented. Thanks.
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