mess at SYD today due to winds
Someone get some white paint and paint 7R and 25L at the ends of the 1250m stretch of tarmac connecting 16R/34L with 16L/34R (trying to remember what obstacles would be at the east end)
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Building a new parallel runway in Botany Bay (25L/07R) would be an obvious solution, the Chinese would have done it ten years ago if it was their airport. But then again, at SYD airport you can't even get hot water in their bathrooms, so that shows you how customer focussed Macquarie Bank are.
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Building a new parallel runway in Botany Bay (25L/07R) would be an obvious solution, the Chinese would have done it ten years ago if it was their airport. But then again, at SYD airport you can't even get hot water in their bathrooms, so that shows you how customer focussed Macquarie Bank are.
If only it were politically possible.
Tell him he's dreaming.
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Sydney Airport is a piece of cr#p. Thats all you need to know. Fifty years of political incompetence and corruption,bureaucratic stupidity and short-sightedness. A national embarrassment . And its not getting better anytime soon. Days like the other day make me thank the deities that I am close to retirement. A disgrace.
Quite a lot longer than 50 years, indeed since the first master plan for a "land airport for Sydney" (when international services were almost all flying boats) was dropped.
The only remaining vestige of this plan is the freeway from Moore Park to the airport, (yes, years ago a reservation was made for a multi-lane highway when most main roads were barely two sealed lanes.) where it takes a right turn just past The Lakes golf course, it would have continued straight on to the proposed International Terminal, beside a 17 Left of two wide spaced parallel runways.
Instead, a new 07/25 was built as the new "long" runway.
The Army engineer responsible for this first master plan was a person of great imagination and foresight..
It has been a sad story since --- which has been as good a testimony as any of the twin evils of Australian bureaucracy and short term electoral politics.
Tootle pip!!
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We arrived yesterday morning just after the cessation of the curfew. Runway in use was 16L/R but one of the first aircraft into Sydney reported extensive lightning to the north and required Runway 07. We followed suit. Weather all around the airport. Broke off the first approach at 2000 feet due to windshear reported by preceding aircraft. Immediately turned to the south and then held for about 10 minutes. Second approach was successful achieving visual about 150 feet above the Runway 07 minima. Landed in driving rain and were then unable to get to the gate for about 50 minutes due to ramp shutdown from lightning.
Throughout all this, the support provided by Sydney ATC was EXCELLENT! Kudos guys and girls. You sometimes cop criticism in these forums, but your efforts yesterday were TREMENDOUS in very difficult and demanding conditions.
Throughout all this, the support provided by Sydney ATC was EXCELLENT! Kudos guys and girls. You sometimes cop criticism in these forums, but your efforts yesterday were TREMENDOUS in very difficult and demanding conditions.
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Shark,
Agreed . ATC do the best they can within the rules they must abide by and the facilities that they have to work with.
Doesnt change the fact that Sydney is not even close to being a world class facility. The list of inadequacies is too long to list.
Worst of all , the current problems were foreseen and anticipated by inquiry after inquiry since WW2.
As Lead says its a symbol of all that is wrong with infrastructure planning in Australia.
You can polish a turd all you like but.....
Its still a piece of cr#p.
Agreed . ATC do the best they can within the rules they must abide by and the facilities that they have to work with.
Doesnt change the fact that Sydney is not even close to being a world class facility. The list of inadequacies is too long to list.
Worst of all , the current problems were foreseen and anticipated by inquiry after inquiry since WW2.
As Lead says its a symbol of all that is wrong with infrastructure planning in Australia.
You can polish a turd all you like but.....
Its still a piece of cr#p.
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Shark,
Agreed . ATC do the best they can within the rules they must abide by and the facilities that they have to work with.
Doesnt change the fact that Sydney is not even close to being a world class facility. The list of inadequacies is too long to list.
Worst of all , the current problems were foreseen and anticipated by inquiry after inquiry since WW2.
As Lead says its a symbol of all that is wrong with infrastructure planning in Australia.
You can polish a turd all you like but.....
Its still a piece of cr#p.
Agreed . ATC do the best they can within the rules they must abide by and the facilities that they have to work with.
Doesnt change the fact that Sydney is not even close to being a world class facility. The list of inadequacies is too long to list.
Worst of all , the current problems were foreseen and anticipated by inquiry after inquiry since WW2.
As Lead says its a symbol of all that is wrong with infrastructure planning in Australia.
You can polish a turd all you like but.....
Its still a piece of cr#p.
International city with a not so international airport.
Sydney is not even close to being a world class facility.
LHR has been too small for decades and I’ve suffered more delays in and out of there than SYD.
NRT until not that long ago could not even acquire the land to build two full length runways and a proper taxiway system.
LAX has plenty of runways but the terminals are horrendous.
JFK is has been operating beyond its capacity for decades
AKL’s second runway is a taxiway???
BKK built a brand new airport that sunk, cracked and terminal overheated.
I could go on and on.
I’ve not done a lot of international flying these last few years so some of these issues may have been improved. But my point is that having terrible airport infrastructure seems to be a common trait of world class cities.
Greater London has 4 airports. New York/Jersey has 3. Los Angeles/San Diego has 4. Even Jakarta has 2.
Greater Sydney has over 5.5 million people and only 1 Airport?
I think it's the number of airports in Sydney not the quality that's the problem.
Greater Sydney has over 5.5 million people and only 1 Airport?
I think it's the number of airports in Sydney not the quality that's the problem.
don't think story is strictly correct
it states ..........
"its runways are too short for regional airliners such as the Saab 340 and Metro series to takeoff at maximum weights, even on a cold day, thus limiting aircraft range and/or revenue payloads."
Really ?
Can understand why RAAA is against Bankstown being used for commercial ops, but think that would mostly be about feed & any airline that did might lose some revenue.
OK, the All Blacks with average weight of 120kgs & with 23kgs of luggage x 34 or 36 might not work, but a normal mix of passengers with less baggage should be able to work, except on very long sectors. Can't imagine Albury or Dubbo being an issue.
it states ..........
"its runways are too short for regional airliners such as the Saab 340 and Metro series to takeoff at maximum weights, even on a cold day, thus limiting aircraft range and/or revenue payloads."
Really ?
Can understand why RAAA is against Bankstown being used for commercial ops, but think that would mostly be about feed & any airline that did might lose some revenue.
OK, the All Blacks with average weight of 120kgs & with 23kgs of luggage x 34 or 36 might not work, but a normal mix of passengers with less baggage should be able to work, except on very long sectors. Can't imagine Albury or Dubbo being an issue.
I think it's the number of airports in Sydney not the quality that's the problem.
I fly around various parts of Asia, some good, some not so good.
Trust me, the quality of Sydney Airport is not bad!
Trust me, the quality of Sydney Airport is not bad!
London's 5 airports handle 200 million people between them. Sydney does 43 million, so really, it only needs one on those numbers. However, 1 of London's airports (LHR) handles 70 million, so on that number, SYD can do a lot better. It's not about the local population, it's about how much of a hub it has been made.
