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Old 28th Nov 2018, 03:35
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Someone get some white paint and paint 7R and 25L at the ends of the 1250m stretch of tarmac connecting 16R/34L with 16L/34R (trying to remember what obstacles would be at the east end)
Nah, that is to easy
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 03:56
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Probably by bus to melbourne ends up being easier.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 04:35
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Just fill in Botany Bay with rubbish and landfill. Heaps of room!
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 08:58
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Building a new parallel runway in Botany Bay (25L/07R) would be an obvious solution, the Chinese would have done it ten years ago if it was their airport. But then again, at SYD airport you can't even get hot water in their bathrooms, so that shows you how customer focussed Macquarie Bank are.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Falling Leaf View Post
Building a new parallel runway in Botany Bay (25L/07R) would be an obvious solution, the Chinese would have done it ten years ago if it was their airport. But then again, at SYD airport you can't even get hot water in their bathrooms, so that shows you how customer focussed Macquarie Bank are.
Indeed. There's room for an 1800m strip, perhaps even 2km, so that it could be a fully utilised 737/320 runway.

If only it were politically possible.

Tell him he's dreaming.

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Old 28th Nov 2018, 22:02
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Originally Posted by George Glass View Post
Sydney Airport is a piece of cr#p. Thats all you need to know. Fifty years of political incompetence and corruption,bureaucratic stupidity and short-sightedness. A national embarrassment . And its not getting better anytime soon. Days like the other day make me thank the deities that I am close to retirement. A disgrace.
George,
Quite a lot longer than 50 years, indeed since the first master plan for a "land airport for Sydney" (when international services were almost all flying boats) was dropped.
The only remaining vestige of this plan is the freeway from Moore Park to the airport, (yes, years ago a reservation was made for a multi-lane highway when most main roads were barely two sealed lanes.) where it takes a right turn just past The Lakes golf course, it would have continued straight on to the proposed International Terminal, beside a 17 Left of two wide spaced parallel runways.
Instead, a new 07/25 was built as the new "long" runway.
The Army engineer responsible for this first master plan was a person of great imagination and foresight..
It has been a sad story since --- which has been as good a testimony as any of the twin evils of Australian bureaucracy and short term electoral politics.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 02:03
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We arrived yesterday morning just after the cessation of the curfew. Runway in use was 16L/R but one of the first aircraft into Sydney reported extensive lightning to the north and required Runway 07. We followed suit. Weather all around the airport. Broke off the first approach at 2000 feet due to windshear reported by preceding aircraft. Immediately turned to the south and then held for about 10 minutes. Second approach was successful achieving visual about 150 feet above the Runway 07 minima. Landed in driving rain and were then unable to get to the gate for about 50 minutes due to ramp shutdown from lightning.

Throughout all this, the support provided by Sydney ATC was EXCELLENT! Kudos guys and girls. You sometimes cop criticism in these forums, but your efforts yesterday were TREMENDOUS in very difficult and demanding conditions.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 03:30
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Agreed . ATC do the best they can within the rules they must abide by and the facilities that they have to work with.
Doesnt change the fact that Sydney is not even close to being a world class facility. The list of inadequacies is too long to list.
Worst of all , the current problems were foreseen and anticipated by inquiry after inquiry since WW2.
As Lead says its a symbol of all that is wrong with infrastructure planning in Australia.
You can polish a turd all you like but.....
Its still a piece of cr#p.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 06:31
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Originally Posted by George Glass View Post
Shark,
Agreed . ATC do the best they can within the rules they must abide by and the facilities that they have to work with.
Doesnt change the fact that Sydney is not even close to being a world class facility. The list of inadequacies is too long to list.
Worst of all , the current problems were foreseen and anticipated by inquiry after inquiry since WW2.
As Lead says its a symbol of all that is wrong with infrastructure planning in Australia.
You can polish a turd all you like but.....
Its still a piece of cr#p.
This is what happens when an investment bank owns an airport. It's certaunlu not the fault of the people that work at the airport, they're certainly doing the best that they can.

International city with a not so international airport.


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Old 29th Nov 2018, 08:09
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Sydney is not even close to being a world class facility.
What is world class when it comes to airports? Sydney airport certainly has its issues but plenty of major cities around the world have airports with significant issues too.

LHR has been too small for decades and Iíve suffered more delays in and out of there than SYD.

NRT until not that long ago could not even acquire the land to build two full length runways and a proper taxiway system.

LAX has plenty of runways but the terminals are horrendous.

JFK is has been operating beyond its capacity for decades

AKLís second runway is a taxiway???

BKK built a brand new airport that sunk, cracked and terminal overheated.

I could go on and on.
Iíve not done a lot of international flying these last few years so some of these issues may have been improved. But my point is that having terrible airport infrastructure seems to be a common trait of world class cities.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 09:52
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Greater London has 4 airports. New York/Jersey has 3. Los Angeles/San Diego has 4. Even Jakarta has 2.

Greater Sydney has over 5.5 million people and only 1 Airport?

I think it's the number of airports in Sydney not the quality that's the problem.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 10:21
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Originally Posted by BNEA320 View Post
don't think story is strictly correct

it states ..........

"its runways are too short for regional airliners such as the Saab 340 and Metro series to takeoff at maximum weights, even on a cold day, thus limiting aircraft range and/or revenue payloads."

Really ?

Can understand why RAAA is against Bankstown being used for commercial ops, but think that would mostly be about feed & any airline that did might lose some revenue.

OK, the All Blacks with average weight of 120kgs & with 23kgs of luggage x 34 or 36 might not work, but a normal mix of passengers with less baggage should be able to work, except on very long sectors. Can't imagine Albury or Dubbo being an issue.
Bankstown, Wet runway (canít assume itíll be dry so common sense says to plan worst case for this scenario), nil wind. Saab 340B. Ops limited to well below MTOW even at 25 degrees OAT.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 01:10
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I think it's the number of airports in Sydney not the quality that's the problem.
No, itís the quality of Sydney airport..... I donít think another one would help any time soon. Look at Avalon.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 10:59
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I fly around various parts of Asia, some good, some not so good.

Trust me, the quality of Sydney Airport is not bad!
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 11:04
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Originally Posted by pilotchute View Post
Greater London has 4 airports. New York/Jersey has 3. Los Angeles/San Diego has 4. Even Jakarta has 2.

Greater Sydney has over 5.5 million people and only 1 Airport?

I think it's the number of airports in Sydney not the quality that's the problem.
London's 5 airports handle 200 million people between them. Sydney does 43 million, so really, it only needs one on those numbers. However, 1 of London's airports (LHR) handles 70 million, so on that number, SYD can do a lot better. It's not about the local population, it's about how much of a hub it has been made.
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