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mess at SYD today due to winds

Old 26th Nov 2018, 06:58
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Originally Posted by ozziekiwi View Post
Where is runway 25 in AKL ?????
Read the rest of the paragraph which clearly shows that I was discussing Sydney
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Old 26th Nov 2018, 09:47
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I require 34L/34R or 16L/16R that's all it takes. .... require it and it happens.. simples. You have no idea of the simple rules ATC have to follow. 20Kt x/wind means swap ends/sides.. no choice again...simples.. Yes we know its BS but thats how it goes. It's not an option.
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Old 26th Nov 2018, 09:58
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I require 34L/34R or 16L/16R that's all it takes. .... require it and it happens.. simples.
Good for you. Why didn’t the rest of us think of that!!
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 00:48
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Originally Posted by Bula View Post
Why won’t Aussie ATC let me fly to my limits!!!! Oh the humanity!
Well I'm sure if ASA management bonuses were affected by the holding fuel bill, 16/34 would have been available all day long, guaranteed.

One of the big reasons that aviation is so inefficient in this country is that the service providers are not financially affected by their policies or lack of infrastructure. In the case of airports they financially benefit from greater inefficiency. Basically a airports owners dream is to be at gridlock 24 hours a day. More money spent in terminals, higher car parking returns, more from gate charges etc etc

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Old 27th Nov 2018, 01:07
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
And here is a story that goes with that photo!
don't think story is strictly correct

it states ..........

"its runways are too short for regional airliners such as the Saab 340 and Metro series to takeoff at maximum weights, even on a cold day, thus limiting aircraft range and/or revenue payloads."

Really ?

Can understand why RAAA is against Bankstown being used for commercial ops, but think that would mostly be about feed & any airline that did might lose some revenue.

OK, the All Blacks with average weight of 120kgs & with 23kgs of luggage x 34 or 36 might not work, but a normal mix of passengers with less baggage should be able to work, except on very long sectors. Can't imagine Albury or Dubbo being an issue.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 07:56
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Why are you still here? You have been given numerous reasons why your silly idea is a total non starter.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 07:56
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BNEA320 raises a good idea and granted, it can't happen 'today', it should be discussed without attacking the messenger.

London City, circa 1500m & a single runway at that, does a magnificent job with less hardstand than Bankstown. Why? Because they want to. They need to. But so do we. With a city population of around 5 million our single RPT hub goes up against London's 5 major city airports for their approx. 9 million people. In fact if you choose to call yourself Sydney Metro Airport, how's about getting into the 21st century and delivering a world class feeder secondary airport that makes traveling to or from Sydney a market leading experience. Its high time the common-wealth of the nation was regarded as just that, and infrastructure assets such as capital city secondary airports were made to participate in an integrated air transport system. The government of the day must bring on board the current consortium of owners to either develop or get out. A very fast rail link from Mascot to Bankstown to the new Badgery's Creek airport will mean a somewhat future-proofed aviation system of which we can be proud.

If you ever wondered why this country rarely gets out of first gear, despite its good fortune, there are defeatists' from the early stages of this thread that may help you identify the cause.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 09:15
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Of course it's different, opposite really. Mascot is the city airport - where the money is - more like London City
Money talks
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 09:46
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 11:13
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Originally Posted by Nulli Secundus View Post
BNEA320 raises a good idea and granted, it can't happen 'today', it should be discussed without attacking the messenger.

London City, circa 1500m & a single runway at that, does a magnificent job with less hardstand than Bankstown. Why? Because they want to. They need to. But so do we. With a city population of around 5 million our single RPT hub goes up against London's 5 major city airports for their approx. 9 million people. In fact if you choose to call yourself Sydney Metro Airport, how's about getting into the 21st century and delivering a world class feeder secondary airport that makes traveling to or from Sydney a market leading experience. Its high time the common-wealth of the nation was regarded as just that, and infrastructure assets such as capital city secondary airports were made to participate in an integrated air transport system. The government of the day must bring on board the current consortium of owners to either develop or get out. A very fast rail link from Mascot to Bankstown to the new Badgery's Creek airport will mean a somewhat future-proofed aviation system of which we can be proud.

If you ever wondered why this country rarely gets out of first gear, despite its good fortune, there are defeatists' from the early stages of this thread that may help you identify the cause.
You’re probably right. But - both parties of government are more interested in passing the buck and the airports are leased to consortiums who are more interested in shopping centres or real estate.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 11:55
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There is no reason passenger handling, security can not be done at Mascot with the passengers being bussed in secured busses direct to the airside at Bankskstown. It should enable some flights with smaller aircraft to be handled from there meaning cash flow and some happier passengers. It does not mean everything can be done that way but a little may help.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 13:54
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There is no reason chance passenger handling, security can not could be done at Mascot with the passengers being bussed in secured busses direct to the airside at Bankskstown.
Fixed that for you.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 14:29
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Indeed, if its IMC RWY 07 only then the movement rate will be much LOWER than VMC RWY 25 only. Carnage.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 15:00
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You can't really compare London's 5 airports with Sydney. Completely different geographic situation. From Wiki: The airports serve a total of 14 domestic destinations and 396 international destinations. (vs Sydney's 46 domestic and 43 International). The latter is why there are 5 airports. Its not the 9 million people who live there, its the 200 million who fly through there. I'd hazard a guess none of them are "feeder" airports. You can get to where you want to go from any of them.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 16:35
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If this thread is still on point,..

Surely all Rex, some Qantaslink(Dash 8-100, -200, -300s), some ATRs & any smaller domestic aircraft should be moved to Bankstown today. Buses could run between airports(takes roughly 40 mins). Not ideal, but must be better than getting stuck at SYD all day, with chance of not going anywhere ?
You assume staff and equipment and procedures availablie to just “make that happen” in airlines which are already short-staffed to the bone?

BNE320, I assume you are a travel agent, because you certainly wouldn’t be suggesting such a thing if you actually worked for an airline.

The day I see Alan Joyce lumping bags because a rampy went sick, I will revisit your idea. Until then, dream sweetly of low security airports, and the girls within...
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 22:15
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You clearly do not live in Sydney. Weather today will make the bus trip a lot more than 40 minutes.Do you understand pavement strength, runway & taxiway width requirements or anything related to heavy aircraft operation, never mind the inevitable NIMBY complaints about aircraft noise in Sydney?
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 22:16
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There is no reason passenger handling, security can not be done at Mascot with the passengers being bussed in secured busses direct to the airside at Bankskstown. It should enable some flights with smaller aircraft to be handled from there meaning cash flow and some happier passengers. It does not mean everything can be done that way but a little may help.
That's the second stupidest idea I've ever heard.

Every 'solution' bandied around so far is nothing short of a totally pointless exercise, which has no intent other than giving an appearance of doing something which needs not be done anyway.....total WOFTAM.

You could probably stand in the middle of a puddle of AVTUR and throw a lit match into it too, and it would not do anything. But, I don't see any particular reason to test that equally stupid idea either!
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 23:22
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Originally Posted by Vag277 View Post
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You clearly do not live in Sydney. Weather today will make the bus trip a lot more than 40 minutes.
Not just today. The trip from SY to BK by road at times would regularly exceed the flight time sydney to melbourne, not just on bad weather days. The M5 can be horrendous, one minor bingle and it stops. Sometimes it is stops for no obvious reason at all.

Although sitting in a bus you have a nice big window seats. Where you could happily sit and relax and watch the traffic up close sitting stationary with you in the M5 tunnel. Maybe they could serve meals on the bus?

Although delays like that would mean the BK departure would either delayed or the flight missed or cancelled. Perhaps in that case the bus could just keep going to the destination and skip the flight altogether? Might be quicker and cheaper.

Probably best then to ask domestic pax to arrive an extra 2 hours early at mascot, to allow transit time to BK in case the M5 clogs. And maybe bring a sanger and a thermos for the bus trip.

That would probably work most of the time.

I can see the obvious attraction for passengers.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 23:45
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Close down Bankstown completely, build an Ikea to go with the Bunnings already there, let the bus passengers off for a shopping trip before going on to Buggery's Creek.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 00:58
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Someone get some white paint and paint 7R and 25L at the ends of the 1250m stretch of tarmac connecting 16R/34L with 16L/34R (trying to remember what obstacles would be at the east end)
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