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Old 21st Oct 2018, 06:20
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Iíve thrown my hat in the ring for a few part time jobs in Darwin, feedback that Iíve received is that they are only interested in full timers as they recon it would be to difficult to intergrate a part time pilot into their CAR 217?? Iím not convinced that this is really a valid reason particularly if the part timers have substantial experience compounded by the fact that some operators are dangling the FIFO carrot.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 12:00
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The reason they don't want part time is because they couldn't plan anything to save themselves.

​​​​​​I know a couple of Southern operators who hire part timers and it works well for them.

What there is a shortage of is type rated ready go kids willing to do anything for little money.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 12:21
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Cobham have been interviewing for a few months, I have friends that have done interview with them and friends that have applied and haven't heard back, only difference is mates that got an interview had over 1000 hrs twin time, they are being very picky and wanting guy/girls with twin time.
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 12:38
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Type rated ready to go kids with no experience on type willing to do anything for little money? Accidents generally aren't good PR spins for airlines.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 01:10
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Isn't that the beauty of subcontractors though? All that nasty stuff like accidents can be kept at arms length
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 23:06
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Heard rumours/whispers of the Ejet making a return to regional services. Can anyone confirm?
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 13:10
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Funny how simply naming something "a group" manages to blind side so many folk.

If you're mildly interested in flying for "Cobham" as a pilot, better get your head around the fact that there are FOUR operations called Cobham.
Four tribes if you like, each with their own..
Chief pilot
Training department
Aircraft type
Culture
Mission
Career path
Terms and conditions.
Etc.

And:

It is harder for a "cobham" pilot to 'transfer' to another 'business unit' than it is for a needle to pass through the eye of a camel.... or whatever.

For any indignant "a company oughta" posters.... not my circus, not my monkeys... I agree it does not make sense.... but that's their way and they ain't changing for no pilot!

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Old 24th Oct 2018, 14:30
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While I agree with most of your points, how is it harder for a Cobham pilot to move between groups?
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 14:42
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Just to make it clear Cobham has 4 distinct business units (possibly three). Each one is operated as a separate business. Seperate HR and management. I think SAR and Coastwatch may be under the one banner. Moving between units is like moving to another company. It would be like going from Qlink to Jetstar. Full interview and all the associated nonsense.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 23:41
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I understand they have different groups under the same company, but I wouldn't agree with different interviews going between the different sections, some do defiantly but others seems to work quite well with each other and tend to take the pilot on merit and a phone call.

Sar and Special mission operate under the same Aoc.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 03:14
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Moving between units is like moving to another company.
Almost but not quite. I checked with two sources and they kept LSL and sick leave, employee number etc. I know of people from three BUs that are now in other BUs but it is harder than it could be.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 04:56
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People do move between the three BUs, but it’s not common (easy).
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 06:49
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Originally Posted by Notthisguy View Post
While I agree with most of your points, how is it harder for a Cobham pilot to move between groups?
[rolleyes]

Ask the Perth 146 FO who applied for a B717 FO vacancy on the East coast to be nearer his dying father. He had the seniority. There were no impediments like base or type freeze and he had solid line check sim check results and a clean history. His chief pilot told him he would recommend him for the transfer. The vacancy went to a new hire. When he enquired, the 717 people told him his application was not competitive.

The only BU pilots that have "rights" to a vacancy in another BU are the pre-2005 BAe146 pilots that used to be employed by NJS BU. Mostly west coast 146 Captains that are no longer interested.

The last transferee had a LOT of influence - the Chief of the B717 outfit took himself out of that role and into a line 146 captain role. Not many 'internal applicants' have that sort of pull.

Prior to that, the last Surveillance to Airline internal transferees were maybe half a dozen D8 captains promised B717 FO spots by "Uday" upon Uday's appointment to GM AS.

By my count, that is 6 applicants out of more than 100 vacancies. All of them had "pull" or positional power. Those that didn't have 'pull' found 'their' jobs filled by external applicants.

Every other pilot that has transferred into the B717 outfit has had to compete directly with external applicants.

That 'even footing' with external applicants is tilted against the BU to BU applicant whenever a chief pilot of one BU says to the other "we can't afford to lose a Captain/FO right now."

And given Cobham's business model of pricing customer contracts based on the number of pilots nominally required to fulfil the contract, and then increasing profit margins later by keeping the base establishments at one or two pilots under that number, paying overtime, and restricting annual leave and LSL, and then pocketing the savings in sims/uniforms/etc, it is rare for a Cobham chief to say "we could afford to lose one!"

Maybe you are an exceptional individual. By all means, give it a try.

I simply think it is easier to get a better job working for nicer people, elsewhere!

;-)

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Old 25th Oct 2018, 06:53
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Almost but not quite. I checked with two sources and they kept LSL and sick leave, employee number etc. I know of people from three BUs that are now in other BUs but it is harder than it could be.
Thats like the situation where if you win a car in a lottery, the lottery organiser pays stamp duty and rego on the car for the winner.
Very nice of them.
But first you have to win the lottery.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 10:34
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it is rare for a Cobham chief to say "we could afford to lose one!"
Ironic then that the practice of “blocking” ones mobility through the fleets/BUs is exactly what is causing pilots to go elsewhere. It’s a case of can these Chiefs afford not lose one or two in order to keep them happy.

P.S. I’m told the FO you mention ITCZ will never get the opportunity to be near his (now late) parents.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 09:29
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A LOT of uninformed commentary in all of this supposition.

Take it from someone who actually KNOWS AND DEALS with the facts with ALL of this, and is involved at the very highest level...........
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 11:06
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A LOT of uninformed commentary in all of this supposition

Wouldn't expect anything less from the prune, would ya?
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 12:36
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A LOT of uninformed commentary in all of this supposition.
and is involved at the very highest level...........
Well surely it is incumbent on you at your lofty level to set the record straight?
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 21:29
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......................and to address the loss of pilots by maybe, just maybe, trying to look after them. yeah.....nah
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 23:54
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Trevor is 100% correct. Looking after the pilots they have and improving morale will cost Cobham nothing and possibly save them alot of money
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