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YBBN runway 14/32

Old 17th Oct 2018, 02:19
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YBBN runway 14/32

I see that YBBN RW01(R)/19(L) are the main runways, and now and again, I see a Dash using RW14. But Iíve never seen any aircraft use 32, nor depart from either.

Is is there a reason for this? Or maybe Iím just not looking carefully enough. I see 14/32 is pretty short. And heads into the docks (I think). Is it only used for smaller arrivals?

and also, whatís with the plane that has been parked on the taxi way for ages (years?) near 14/32?
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 02:47
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Runway usage is all about the way the wind blows. Not that many Nth Westerlies in Brisbane over the year.

Having said that, have used 32 a few times times over the years when on appropriate sized aircraft.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 04:25
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Not uncommon to use 14 or 32 for arrivals, occasionally 32 for departures if the main strip is busy. Have seen the F70 from alliance also using it.

the two MD-80s are owned by Clive Palmer for his mines once upon a time (although now rumoured to be owned by BNE airport due to unpaid parking fees - heard they might use one as a fire fighting trainer...)
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 05:45
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Have both taken off and landed on 14/32 in a B737-300. Many moons ago, though.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 07:46
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in the last 2 months have only noticed 32 for dep via SU on the atis once and it was for a few hours, have probably landed on 14 6 or 7 times in the same time period
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 08:24
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R32 departures isn't advertised much and is mainly used for convenience or if there is a backup of departures for the main strip, i.e. RFDS and other GA tarmac aircraft use it a bit. 14/32 is mainly used for R14 arrivals, but not so much for R32 arrivals, as most of the aircraft able to accept the runway are from the west/northwest (DH8, BE20, etc). Medium jets (up to 737, A320) land R14/32 occasionally depending on conditions, crew willingness, delay for the main RWY, etc.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 12:46
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Taxiway F3 is used for overflow parking from the GA Apron, plus long term like the two Minerology MD-80"s (which they still own). Closest to 14/32 there is an old section of E Taxiway that is used for parking as well. GAM often store one of their Do228's there. They rotate them through service, so probably looks like just one is there all the time.
Since an incident with a wayward Cirrus a few years ago, 14/32 doesn't get used that much, and it will be decommissioned when 01L/19R opens. Half the connecting taxiways have gone already. It is also payload constrained for most jet departures.
Not that many Nth Westerlies in Brisbane over the year
Funny thing is, it's more often into wind than the main runway is.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 15:21
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It’s rare to use RWY 32 for arrivals even on the odd occasion there is a favourable wind. Believe it has to do with the fact ATC can’t actually increase the movement rate that much as the approach is over runway 01/19. The separation requirements are almost exactly the same as if they were using a single runway anyway. Most common configuration with both runways operating is arrivals on 14, arrivals and departures on 01/19.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 20:51
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A 737 onto 14/32 would be quite interesting to watch as they donít have much of a margin.

5774 x 98 feet

and I found a link that says a 737 should use a runway of at least 5,500 for the older types, and isnít suitable for the 800 series.

https://www.portofbellingham.com/Doc...0171206?bidId=

Thanks guys.
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 22:16
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Better tell that to people flying into Queenstown in the 737! It's the same length, 1200' elevation and was only 100' wide until 12-18 months ago
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Old 17th Oct 2018, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Cralis View Post
A 737 onto 14/32 would be quite interesting to watch as they donít have much of a margin.

5774 x 98 feet

and I found a link that says a 737 should use a runway of at least 5,500 for the older types, and isnít suitable for the 800 series.

Thanks guys.
It wouldn't be that interesting. 1700m is fine for the -800 in most conditions.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 05:34
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I think the supporting Taxiway system is weight limited to MAX 56000KG, and the Runway itself operates on a pavement concession basis for anything around that figure. It was never really designed or intended to be used by anything larger than turboprops.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 07:33
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Sorry its thread drift but just out of curiosity - any ideas or estimates from those who might know what Clive would have paid to park each MD80 at YBBN for the past 5 years? I would assume that they have become unairworthy, possibly to the point of no return, so what is the up side of having them there? A tax write off?
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 08:23
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Originally Posted by MonsterC01 View Post
Itís rare to use RWY 32 for arrivals even on the odd occasion there is a favourable wind. Believe it has to do with the fact ATC canít actually increase the movement rate that much as the approach is over runway 01/19. The separation requirements are almost exactly the same as if they were using a single runway anyway. Most common configuration with both runways operating is arrivals on 14, arrivals and departures on 01/19.
Low number of RWY32 arrivals is more to do with a combination of a lack of willing candidates from the south and east (i.e. mostly B737/A320 or heavies) and the traffic complexity/workload for DH8s, BE20s etc from the west/northwest to overfly final of RWY01 and be processed for RWY32. RWY32 can operate as converging runway ops with traffic on RWY01, so no real sep issue for arrivals, but it does block RWY01 departures. Of note, the 'converging runway ops' procedure to either RWY14 or 32 isn't available if the main runway is RWY19.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 08:51
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"Funny thing is, it's more often into wind than the main runway is."
Wind direction in a percentage over the last 12 months in BNE. Guess it could seem to be more into the wind due to the regular (and sometimes strong) crosswinds on 19.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 09:35
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I’ve landed on 32 in a 737-400 once and I think 3 times onto 14 in a 737-800, however it is pretty rare to use it these days. 1700m is fine in a 7378 as long as you don’t have too much tailwind, I mean Hamilton Island is 1700m and there is 737’s going in there every day!
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 11:01
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Parking fees are publicly available on the BNE website at BNE Aviation Services and Charges You could work it out. Of course, there may be a separate agreement covering these.

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Old 18th Oct 2018, 11:23
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Hey Traffic, thanks I didnt think of that. So guessing at MTOW less than 100T thats $139 per day and $51k per year - just on $1/2mill for the 2 for 5 years. BAC may be right....it could be cheaper than parking a car!
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