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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 02:17
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Getting a job as a foreigner

I'm not australian nor new zealander, speaking totally different language, meaning that English is not my first language.
I have icao atpl with 2000 tt of which 1500 on 737ng as f/o.
I've always looked forward living overseas with my family in consideration of children education, environment, culture, etc.,
Would it be possible to get a pilot job in oz, if I have my license converted to casa atpl on my own expense and a valid full time work permit?
I just want to raise my kids in a country where kids don't talk about what their parents do for living, income, property...
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Originally Posted by avi8safely
I just want to raise my kids in a country where kids don't talk about what their parents do for living, income, property...
Isn’t that what kids do? My son loves talking to other kids about his dads planes. Who cares?
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Isn’t that what kids do? My son loves talking to other kids about his dads planes. Who cares?
Maybe I'm too sensitive.
Kids here care whether their house is on their own or on rent and judge other kids by their house and cars makes me frustrated and worried.
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Originally Posted by XanaduX
And what makes you think kids in Australia don’t do that too?

Back to your question, you’ll need to have the right to live and work in Australia or NZ. That usually gets aksed in the online application process.
Really? That’s my impression to kids in australia. Do they have to study till 2 in morning to get a place in uni too? Over-competetive education is another concern.

Anyway provided I can get a working visa on my own not by company sponsoring, do you think australia and nz job market is quite open to foreign f/os?
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You may find work, you may not.

the chances of getting into a 737 would be slim to none I imagine.

We do however have regional airlines screaming out for pilots to operate their turbo props.

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Going from 800hrs in Feb to 2000hrs now I would suggest you change jobs as soon as you can . That does not sound like a way to live a long happy life.
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Originally Posted by dctPub
If you have the right to work in New Zealand or Australia then you will get a fair go at the interview. Simple as that. Many "foreigners" flying in NZ and Oz.
Thank you very much. Cheering comment.
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Originally Posted by Flyboy1987
You may find work, you may not.

the chances of getting into a 737 would be slim to none I imagine.

We do however have regional airlines screaming out for pilots to operate their turbo props.

Riding a shiny jet would be the best but turbo prop is another good way to keep my job while living in oz. Many thanks!
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
Going from 800hrs in Feb to 2000hrs now I would suggest you change jobs as soon as you can . That does not sound like a way to live a long happy life.
Well, exactly 1400 now. I just mentioned some months ahead.
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I would suggest having a good look at the minimum requirements for airlines in Australia and NZ. They are generally much higher than the rest of the world, and if all you have is a whole lot of 737 FO time, then you may find it difficult to get a job.

Command time is king in Australia unfortunately.

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Mate,

Theres a shortage of pilots here that have jet time and can slot into an airline environment quickly.

The standard is quite high and that’s not just what the companies require, but what we require of ourselves.

So the recuritment process can feel like you’re applying to be the next nobel prize winner in the field of something more complicated than aviation.

If you’re keen and want to get to the country and develop your skills and learn. You need to look into skilled migration visas and the companies that are offering them.

The more the merrier. Of course you may bring some cultural insights and skill sets that may also benefit the crews that you work with.

I’d be happy to fly with you

Good luck.
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Mate,
The standard is quite high and that’s not just what the companies require, but what we require of ourselves.

Oh dear, oh dear...

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Recruitment in this country is a strange beast.

Foreigner onto a Jet won’t happen. Its just the reality. They barely hire Aussies from abroad let alone anyone else.

All Jet operators have peculiar ways of hiring. Jetstar has a facination with hiring only from Rex. Tiger has a interest in prop drivers. Qantas seems to only want Astronauts and Virgin well who knows!

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Originally Posted by papazulu
Oh dear, oh dear...

PZ
Well, it’s true.

We do set a high standard for ourselves. We are very conservative pilots and generally our safety record is quite good.

I fly in other parts of the world and generally it’s not so good. In fact, in can be quite exhausting to watch it. Never mind experience it.

Yes we have our moments and stupid local procedures, but we battle on in spite of it.

Im proud to be an austronaught.
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Originally Posted by avi8safely
Anyway provided I can get a working visa on my own not by company sponsoring...
And which visa might that be?
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
And which visa might that be?
100% this
the visa will be your biggest challenge

I think (but am not an expert) that an NT 489 visa is basically your only “independent” option. That will limit your employment options somewhat
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Originally Posted by Buswinker
I think (but am not an expert) that an NT 489 visa is basically your only “independent” option.
Correct. And the only way he can get one of those is to be invited by an eligible relative already living in Australia.
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If you are lucky enough to get a crack at the whip from an Australian/ NZ operator just make sure you’re up to speed regarding their online aptitude assessments. Being a Brit and having previously flown (757) in NZ and Oz I was looking forward to moving down there. After a successful telephone interview with Jetstar NZ for their Dash 8 operation they sent me the link to “Talent Q Elements”. After looking at the girst Question (which I had 60 seconds to complete) I simply turned to my wife and said, “Don’t pack your bags”. I did inform the HR lady when she mentioned aptitude testing that I was 56 and had been out of formal education for nearly 40 years but that didn’t seem to cut me any slack😭. Either the Aussie/ Kiwis are smart cookies or I’m thick as sh1te, probably a bit of both.😂

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QantasLink has received the "green light" from the gouvernment to recruit 76 expat pilots (Captains & Instructors).
Those guys will be coming on a 4 years visa (initially), but if they're smart before the visa expires they will simply apply for the full residency and stay !
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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
Im proud to be an austronaught.

I find that very reassuring. Now you will excuse me but I am running for cover, aluminium might start to rain any time here on northern planet earth...

I fly in other parts of the world and generally it’s not so good. In fact, in can be quite exhausting to watch it. Never mind experience it.
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