Air Niugini 737 overun at Guam
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Chuuk (Truk) NOT Guam!
The latest scuttlebuck coming back from the most reliable sources of all (The Crew Room) appear to confirm that the National Captain and Phillipino First Officer were both relatively inexperienced on type and had only flown into Chuuk once before ...... totally unconfirmed of course!
What does make more sense is that BOTH PILOTS were (supposedly) concentrating solely on trying to locate the runway ahead in heavy showers and NOBODY was watching inside to see how the airspeed/altitude were going!
The well known "are we visual or ain't we?" Of interest will be if the GPWS ever activated as it would have been on the 737 for sure, hopefully operational and should have provided more than adequate warning to the crew???
Also appears that the 737 was fully configured for landing and splashed down in quite shallow water - not a bad landing really all things considered!
Including the very recent DHC8 BBQ at Mendi, PX has now lost FIVE (5) hulls in less than a decade - pilot error in them all with the 737 yet to be decided maybe -and dare I say it but after 25 years with PX, I can assure you all that the C & T is a major concern to everybody in the pilot corp!
The new CEO (ex Qantas) will have his hands full pulling PX out of the ditch and will hopefully address the ever-worsening C & T situation plus what appears to be the usual rapid localization of national Pilots into the LHS!
PX! One day a rooster - the next a feather duster!
A true tragedy!
What does make more sense is that BOTH PILOTS were (supposedly) concentrating solely on trying to locate the runway ahead in heavy showers and NOBODY was watching inside to see how the airspeed/altitude were going!
The well known "are we visual or ain't we?" Of interest will be if the GPWS ever activated as it would have been on the 737 for sure, hopefully operational and should have provided more than adequate warning to the crew???
Also appears that the 737 was fully configured for landing and splashed down in quite shallow water - not a bad landing really all things considered!
Including the very recent DHC8 BBQ at Mendi, PX has now lost FIVE (5) hulls in less than a decade - pilot error in them all with the 737 yet to be decided maybe -and dare I say it but after 25 years with PX, I can assure you all that the C & T is a major concern to everybody in the pilot corp!
The new CEO (ex Qantas) will have his hands full pulling PX out of the ditch and will hopefully address the ever-worsening C & T situation plus what appears to be the usual rapid localization of national Pilots into the LHS!
PX! One day a rooster - the next a feather duster!
A true tragedy!
Last edited by RetiredTooEarly; 2nd Oct 2018 at 07:42. Reason: typo
Including the very recent DHC8 BBQ at Mendi, PX has now lost FIVE (5) hulls in less than a decade
ASN showing only 2 – PXY at Madang, and PXE at Chuuk. Airfleets.net showing one (PXY), but that’s not been updated to include PXE.Not too sure if the BBQ at Mendi can be attributed to PX either, because the aircraft was on the ground shut down at the time of the event, and from what I heard, the BBQ was beyond the control of PX. So I don’t really think that one counts. I’d really like to know about the other 3 in the last ten years though.
What logic would trigger a GPWS warning when the aircraft is in a landing configuration, and the aircraft position makes sense in relation to the runway and any surrounding obstacles? If you're barrelling along on final approach with the gear down and at the right speed and descent rate, but not being able to see where you're going, I bet you can splatter it on the runway, or just short of it, or just past it, without the GPWS logic being triggered.
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Your suspicions are correct Gullibell, the NG gives NO alert "In shallow descent, in Landing configuration". But should have ( Mode 6) Aural RA callouts: "100,50,40,30,20 & 10" although might be hard to hear above the noise of (heavy?) rain & "thrashing" 73 wiper blades.
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if the GPWS ever activated as it would have been on the 737
without the GPWS logic being triggered
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EGPWS / TAWS
There is a warning that ignores the fact you are configured for landing. It is based purely on the terrain database
around each airport and where you are in relation to the runway.
"TOO LOW TERRAIN" : alert issued when descending below a safe radio altitude while far from a runway.
In this case, they were probably too close to the runway for a warning to be issued!
There is a warning that ignores the fact you are configured for landing. It is based purely on the terrain database
around each airport and where you are in relation to the runway.
"TOO LOW TERRAIN" : alert issued when descending below a safe radio altitude while far from a runway.
In this case, they were probably too close to the runway for a warning to be issued!
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Does the 737 EGPWS have the Terrain Clearance Floor function? It's designed to stop precisely this type of accident. I had it activate when I was landing on a new parallel runway, NDB had been updated so we had the approach, but the GPWS database hadn't been:
https://aerocontent.honeywell.com/ae...ance_Floor.pdf
https://aerocontent.honeywell.com/ae...ance_Floor.pdf
People bust rules, hardware just busts. Question is from a systems view how to harden the operation to assure outcomes don't include tears or repacking of liferafts.
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The problem at PX is greater than 1 crew possibly breaking minimum and crashing a plane,
Why after 5 years of having the 737 fleet are they not approved for GNSS, Why do Captains who struggled on the Fokker fleet now flourish in the 737 fleet, Why has the training department been slashed to a fraction of its previous budget.
A lot of the answers to these questions and many more are a result of the piss poor management practice of Foo and
Taufa.
Foo was warned directly 2 years ago that FSM was going to end in tears if they continued to cut corners.
They ignored it...........
Why after 5 years of having the 737 fleet are they not approved for GNSS, Why do Captains who struggled on the Fokker fleet now flourish in the 737 fleet, Why has the training department been slashed to a fraction of its previous budget.
A lot of the answers to these questions and many more are a result of the piss poor management practice of Foo and
Taufa.
Foo was warned directly 2 years ago that FSM was going to end in tears if they continued to cut corners.
They ignored it...........
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