Air Niugini 737 overun at Guam
Being reported as landing short of the runway, which given the weather, makes it very similar to Lionair in Bali
Air Niugini Aircraft Crashes Short of the Runway in Micronesia
Another site is listing it as an overshoot, but the video interview with a survivor indicates coming in very low, landing hard and seeing water entering the cabin which would imply landing short.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...689c913dbd6491
Air Niugini Aircraft Crashes Short of the Runway in Micronesia
Another site is listing it as an overshoot, but the video interview with a survivor indicates coming in very low, landing hard and seeing water entering the cabin which would imply landing short.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...689c913dbd6491
well, I wouldn't imply anything from that....my money is landing long on 04 and going off the end into the sea, ending up more-or-less pointing in the direction it was going.
Another site is listing it as an overshoot, but the video interview with a survivor indicates coming in very low, landing hard and seeing water entering the cabin which would imply landing short.
Air Niugini press statement says it landed short...
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Oh dear Pixes newest aircraft bites the dust . (2005)
Other 800 (2001). Rest of fleet ancient.
Wondering if PX have the approvals to do RNAV approaches.
Rumour has crew were doing them anyway (RPLL) as the minima was much lower than the VOR.
All will be revealed if a proper investigation is carried out. All the rest is speculative rumour perhaps based on some fact as above.
Seen on other forums the crew being called incompetent. Perhaps not the crew that was broken but the PX system.
Other 800 (2001). Rest of fleet ancient.
Wondering if PX have the approvals to do RNAV approaches.
Rumour has crew were doing them anyway (RPLL) as the minima was much lower than the VOR.
All will be revealed if a proper investigation is carried out. All the rest is speculative rumour perhaps based on some fact as above.
Seen on other forums the crew being called incompetent. Perhaps not the crew that was broken but the PX system.
Oh dear Pixes newest aircraft bites the dust . (2005)
Other 800 (2001). Rest of fleet ancient.
Wondering if PX have the approvals to do RNAV approaches.
Rumour has crew were doing them anyway (RPLL) as the minima was much lower than the VOR.
All will be revealed if a proper investigation is carried out. All the rest is speculative rumour perhaps based on some fact as above.
Seen on other forums the crew being called incompetent. Perhaps not the crew that was broken but the PX system.
Other 800 (2001). Rest of fleet ancient.
Wondering if PX have the approvals to do RNAV approaches.
Rumour has crew were doing them anyway (RPLL) as the minima was much lower than the VOR.
All will be revealed if a proper investigation is carried out. All the rest is speculative rumour perhaps based on some fact as above.
Seen on other forums the crew being called incompetent. Perhaps not the crew that was broken but the PX system.
To date no one knows if it was an undershoot or an overrun.Eitherway, unless there has been a systems malfunction, it does not look good for the crew.
The greater systems malfunction may well be the entire airline’s culture amd ethos brought about by two years of brutal pilot bashing by its senior management.
Time will tell.
Air Nuigini - Press Statement
Bulletin Number 3 issued at 6:00pm (POM TIME), Date: 28.09.2018
Air Niugini further advises that it has scheduled a special flight for company personnel tomorrow morning to take airline management to provide assistance to passengers and crew who were on PX 073, the Boeing 737-800 aircraft that landed short at Chuuk International airport runway today.This will include the company doctor to assist with treatment of few passengers who had injuries from the incident.
The special flight will be available to allow those passengers who wish to complete their trip to Port Moresby and onward to their final destinations.
Air Niugini has also arranged hotel accommodation for the other 27 passengers and 12 crew members.
We will provide more information as it becomes available.
Following are the media call centre numbers.
PNG Media Call Centre: (675) 327 3378/ 327 3221
International Media Call Centre: +1 407 205 1814
Email: [email protected]
Corporate Communications Department
Friday 28th September 2018
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I was not intimating that doing an RNAV without approval in anyway contributed to this accident but it certainly opens up a legal can of worms.
A bit like the PX Boeing fleet office giving tasid approval to conduct Autolands in POM below the CAT 1 minima in preference to diverting.
As we all know conducting LVO operations involves far more than just aircraft capability. Not withstanding the POM ILS is only CAT 1.
All in the name of getting the job done.
And yes I agree time will tell.
A bit like the PX Boeing fleet office giving tasid approval to conduct Autolands in POM below the CAT 1 minima in preference to diverting.
As we all know conducting LVO operations involves far more than just aircraft capability. Not withstanding the POM ILS is only CAT 1.
All in the name of getting the job done.
And yes I agree time will tell.
Depending on how high it was initially floating in the water, I'm amazed they managed to get that door open against the pressure of the water outside.
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Over on the Pprune R & N forum most folk there are still pontificating after 3 pages of posts whether the accident was an undershoot, overshoot or an RTO...
In my mind it's always been an undershoot - as stated by the passengers and the airline, plus as AVHerald reports.
Can anyone here in the Antipodes enlighten the Western world please?
In my mind it's always been an undershoot - as stated by the passengers and the airline, plus as AVHerald reports.
Can anyone here in the Antipodes enlighten the Western world please?
Thanks PigsArse, nice to cop another hefty dose of agrogance!
No, I don’t “need” an auto-throttle to fly an airplane but it certainly helps unload a busy situation, particularly when the reason for switching it off makes little sense.
Yes, I believe leaving auto-throttle active (for under-speed protection) could HAVE helped in a couple of cases, we shall see if this another.
No, I don’t “need” an auto-throttle to fly an airplane but it certainly helps unload a busy situation, particularly when the reason for switching it off makes little sense.
Yes, I believe leaving auto-throttle active (for under-speed protection) could HAVE helped in a couple of cases, we shall see if this another.
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Depending on how high it was initially floating in the water, I'm amazed they managed to get that door open against the pressure of the water outside.
With the gap at the bottom and lower sides, water would enter and the pressure soon equalise - more or less.
An old 4WD piece of common sense in river crossings if things go pear shaped and you need to get out - let the water in first so that you are not trying to open the door against the water pressure. In the car it is a case of opening a window to achieve this, then evacuate. Getting the door off the stops in a 737 would have the same effect.