Malindo Magic
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Malindo Magic
Did anyone else yesterday morning hear tower questions Malindo on departure out of MEL?
Departing rwy 34 like everyone else, but just decided ‘’nuts to the SID, let’s just turn hard left as soon as airborne”.
Had the scanner up and heard tower ask them “where are you going?”, followed by absolute silence.
Finally a response, we are going to Indonesia. When asked why did they turn left instead of continuing straight, they explained that they were tracking for ATNOL. Correct SID, wrong runway.
You could hear the absolute shock in the voice of Mr Tower.
Insane considering there could have easily been traffic on downwind for 34 at the time they blasted through it..
This is why I tell my loved ones to pick again when choosing a carrier to Bali..
Departing rwy 34 like everyone else, but just decided ‘’nuts to the SID, let’s just turn hard left as soon as airborne”.
Had the scanner up and heard tower ask them “where are you going?”, followed by absolute silence.
Finally a response, we are going to Indonesia. When asked why did they turn left instead of continuing straight, they explained that they were tracking for ATNOL. Correct SID, wrong runway.
You could hear the absolute shock in the voice of Mr Tower.
Insane considering there could have easily been traffic on downwind for 34 at the time they blasted through it..
This is why I tell my loved ones to pick again when choosing a carrier to Bali..
They are a ticking timebomb. There isn’t much more to say.
Satefy appears irrelevant to our regulator. One other loco has broken enough rules in my book for a permanent ban from flying here, and even after the downing on one jet and a dozen odd stuff ups, it appears it’s all just politics getting in the way of safety.
Satefy appears irrelevant to our regulator. One other loco has broken enough rules in my book for a permanent ban from flying here, and even after the downing on one jet and a dozen odd stuff ups, it appears it’s all just politics getting in the way of safety.
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To the guys and girls who fly the 737 on here, how many chances would have these guys had to identify their mistake leading up to applying thrust? How would the departure even look on the flight display? 90 degree turn at rotation?
All movements were on 34 due to the strong northerlys, so how they planned a 27 departure is puzzling.
The scariest part was their lack of understanding or corrective action even after quizzed by ATC as to what they were up to and why they had turned. Maybe they were doing a return duty and were highly fatigued (if that’s even possible?) - how else could one explain the complete lack of awareness?
All movements were on 34 due to the strong northerlys, so how they planned a 27 departure is puzzling.
The scariest part was their lack of understanding or corrective action even after quizzed by ATC as to what they were up to and why they had turned. Maybe they were doing a return duty and were highly fatigued (if that’s even possible?) - how else could one explain the complete lack of awareness?
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Safety appears irrelevant to our regulator. One other loco has broken enough rules in my book for a permanent ban from flying here, and even after the downing on one jet and a dozen odd stuff ups, it appears it’s all just politics getting in the way of safety.
My conclusion is a banning or termination of certain a foreign operators license is purely because the government does not want these countries offside. Trade deals are ahead of lives and our safety.
They are a danger to themselves, but more a danger to other pilots in our airspace. I want them out. Nobody seems to care.
A thorough briefing on the gate no doubt. Tracks, legs, distances all cross checked. This followed by FO judiciously looking around the cockpit during taxi to pick up anything missed.
You could imagine how things would go if they had weather and a non normal.
Sounds more like a bunch of teenagers flying flightsim over a couple of beers.
Just imagine what goes on that we don’t know about. Anyway I just hope they remembered to say climb via SID to 6000.
You could imagine how things would go if they had weather and a non normal.
Sounds more like a bunch of teenagers flying flightsim over a couple of beers.
Just imagine what goes on that we don’t know about. Anyway I just hope they remembered to say climb via SID to 6000.
Having spent 3 years as a TRI at a Part 142 training organization training Indonesian ATP licensed pilots, nothing surprises me....well, sometimes they do something that is so mind boggling that I am surprised...including just take hands off the flight controls and leave the outcome to Allah...many I've seen would not pass a PPL flight test in Australia.
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There was obviously some serious errors made by the crew, but having the same SID identifier for multiple runways could have been a factor. Why not use NEVIS 6A for 34 and NEVIS 6B for runway 27, for example. Seems to work in other parts of the world.
I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.
I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.
There was obviously some serious errors made by the crew, but having the same SID identifier for multiple runways could have been a factor. Why not use NEVIS 6A for 34 and NEVIS 6B for runway 27, for example. Seems to work in other parts of the world.
I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.
I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.
An unemotional look at the event and a suggestion of how to stop it happening again . You're not Australian are you?
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There was obviously some serious errors made by the crew, but having the same SID identifier for multiple runways could have been a factor. Why not use NEVIS 6A for 34 and NEVIS 6B for runway 27, for example. Seems to work in other parts of the world.
I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.
I'm not suggesting that would have prevented the errors, but it might just have trapped it.
When the runway is entered into the FMC, the SID will show the appropriate legs for a departure off that runway.
If you subsequently have a runway change, once you enter the new runway, the legs on the SID change accordingly.
Of course, if you haven’t bothered changing the runway in the FMC, well that’s an entirely different story!
Saftey......Blah blah blah. If one of these carriers torpedoes someone in the circuit, the Government will just cry a whole lot of crocodile tears and accept a heartfelt apology from the leader of the offending nation and it will be business as usual.
Malindo is Malaysian but part of the Indonesian Lionair group. There is also a Thai Lionair, same group but different AOC.
Tokyo, Narita airport clears the aircraft to the initial SID waypoint on departure when simultaneous parallel operations are in progress. Given the number of errors taking place, especially with a last minute runway change, it might be worth making it a standard practice.
Tokyo, Narita airport clears the aircraft to the initial SID waypoint on departure when simultaneous parallel operations are in progress. Given the number of errors taking place, especially with a last minute runway change, it might be worth making it a standard practice.