Tigerair chief Merren McArthur warns on aviation industry’s lack of diversity
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Why is there so many crusaders for equal gender numbers in aviation yet not even a murmur in others?
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When the war between the sexes goes hot, there will be no people left. (Apologies to Joe Jackson)
Before the lead starts flying Ms Merren, how about a presentation of the facts?
For a quick summary: When the median wage of women(full time) is divided by the median wage of men(full time), there is a difference. Of course given that women CHOOSE particular professions, often these vocations aren't remunerated as well.
So the diversity craved by Ms Merren would result in women being forced into professions/vocations that suit her ignorant view, rather than where many women CHOOSE to work. Hardly a step forward Ms Merren is it?
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Before the lead starts flying Ms Merren, how about a presentation of the facts?
- There is a lack of diversity in some professions. The BLS (Bureau of Labour Statistics-USA) assessed this. It found a 'gap' in representation.
- Median wage of women divided by median wage of men, revealed a 'gross pay gap'
- The 'gross gap' was extensive, but removing bias from the data set revealed that the 'gap' was not anything like being portrayed,
- The 'gap' was distilled and researched and statistically corrected the gap is not very much.
- The reason for the gap; CHOICE. That is women choose jobs that just happen to be paid less. Men in those jobs are paid the same as the women.
Nurses and Midwifery Gender Percentages
Female 89%
Male 11%
Source: Nursing and Midwifery Board of Australia Registration Data Table - March 2018
Female 89%
Male 11%
Source: Nursing and Midwifery Board of Australia Registration Data Table - March 2018
For a quick summary: When the median wage of women(full time) is divided by the median wage of men(full time), there is a difference. Of course given that women CHOOSE particular professions, often these vocations aren't remunerated as well.
So the diversity craved by Ms Merren would result in women being forced into professions/vocations that suit her ignorant view, rather than where many women CHOOSE to work. Hardly a step forward Ms Merren is it?
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I’m not quite sure why I feel the need to defend her but the replies here are a bit unfair. She merely stated the figures, she didn’t imply that any male who chooses to become a pilot is sexist because he didn’t choose to be a nurse. On the other hand she also referred to ethnicity, age and culture, I’ll be interested to see when tiger next employ pilots over the age of 50
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In an industry where the insight, empathy and quality of management decision making in both the private and public sectors is bemoaned - at least based on articulations provided in pprune - I might have thought that a call for diversity had the potential to be embraced.
Think You're Not Sexist?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/sexism-gender-bias-women-equality-employment/
A couple of extracts from the article about research into sexism in job selection
Student job applications were randomly assigned a male/female name. Male applicants were rated much more highly than female applicants.
When violinists were assessed behind a curtain, females in orchestras rose from around 5% to more than 25%
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A couple of extracts from the article about research into sexism in job selection
Student job applications were randomly assigned a male/female name. Male applicants were rated much more highly than female applicants.
When violinists were assessed behind a curtain, females in orchestras rose from around 5% to more than 25%
Regards
layman
I don’t wish to suggest ulterior motives, but it seems to be a coincidence that some individuals might be working the PR circus like a slot machine in Vegas.
i would love some senior executive to come out and declare that they hire the best applicants for the roles, regardless of whether they are male, female, black, white, orange (though that has worked for at least one), straight or alphabet.
The search for gender and other criteria fairness is inherently unfair on those in the over represented demographic, and some times unfair on those selected as they sometimes (note I said sometimes) don’t have the skill set to undertake the role and they muddle through.
Why the best person for the job can’t get it is beyond me...but I am part of an over represented demographic and I subconsciously apply my biases and therefore cannot be trusted.
i would love some senior executive to come out and declare that they hire the best applicants for the roles, regardless of whether they are male, female, black, white, orange (though that has worked for at least one), straight or alphabet.
The search for gender and other criteria fairness is inherently unfair on those in the over represented demographic, and some times unfair on those selected as they sometimes (note I said sometimes) don’t have the skill set to undertake the role and they muddle through.
Why the best person for the job can’t get it is beyond me...but I am part of an over represented demographic and I subconsciously apply my biases and therefore cannot be trusted.
All Female CEOs make the same speech when appointed, they must feel obligated to act as a role model for women everywhere.
Anyone have statistics for senior company positions held by women in companies with female verses male CEOs? I would be interested but not interested enough to do the work myself to find out.
Anyone have statistics for senior company positions held by women in companies with female verses male CEOs? I would be interested but not interested enough to do the work myself to find out.
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I’m sure I’m not alone when I say how fed up to the back teeth I am with these social crusading airline CEO’s. Just get on with the job and try to run a safe successful business.
The attempts to create a perfectly equal utopia aren’t ever properly thought out and usually attached with crudely implemented highly destructive programs. Don’t see anyone crying foul over the inequity of male to female ratios in the HR sphere do we?
The attempts to create a perfectly equal utopia aren’t ever properly thought out and usually attached with crudely implemented highly destructive programs. Don’t see anyone crying foul over the inequity of male to female ratios in the HR sphere do we?
It would appear it’s not just you, Dutto’s had a gut-ful too. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...a84ef55144f6c7
Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has denounced the rise of political correctness within the business community and warned that it is adopting the agenda of radical activists while remaining largely silent in debates over the economy and industrial relations.
“They are participating in social and political debates that have absolutely nothing to do with their stated purpose,” he told a legal conference on Saturday.“These companies are using company funds and brand equity to pursue pet political and social causes. Some businesses are now acting in the interests of special-interest activist groups.“The interests of shareholders are becoming secondary con*siderations, if they are being considered at all.”His remarks, at a conference of the Samuel Griffith Society in Brisbane, coincide with disquiet in the business community over pressure from activists and the Australian Securities Exchange to take up social policies that go beyond the interests of their shareholders.The ASX is considering a proposed update of its corporate governance principles that urges companies to adopt employment polices that take account of gender identity and the cultural background of employees while avoiding “aggressive tax minimisation” and acting in a “socially responsible manner”.Mr Dutton singled out Qantas for campaigning in favour of same-sex marriage and Queensland University of Technology, which had “buckled under pressure from protest groups and agreed to divest from fossil fuels”.He said his concern about Qantas was not aimed at stifling free speech and he believed there was nothing wrong with Qantas chief Alan Joyce expressing his personal opinion about same-sex marriage.“Regardless of your view on that topic, this was a multi-*million-dollar publicly listed company throwing its weight behind one side of a debate it had no business getting into,” Mr Dutton said.Mr Joyce and other business leaders were engaging in “ideological indulgence” when they used company funds for social activism. Activist shareholders and investment funds were targeting companies, including Woolworths, the Commonwealth Bank and BHP Billiton, with the goal of pressuring these companies into policy changes on issues such as climate change or in some cases to force the resignations of board members, he said. Organisations such as GetUp! were targeting businesses involved in border protection and major banks had established ethics committees that were turning away companies engaged in lawful, profitable activities.He said it was even more concerning that companies were being subjected to retaliation when they chose not to take sides in particular debates over social policy.“We constantly see pressure heaped on businesses to observe all manner of left-wing ideological fetishes,” Mr Dutton said.“The difficulty is that many of these companies have now withdrawn completely from any discussion about economic or industrial relations policy. No company is out there at the moment flying the flag on business tax cuts, very few companies are talking about the need for industrial relations reform and it is not good for public debate.“Economic reform becomes much harder if the government is left as a lone voice in any argument.“When the business community is more comfortable pursuing left political issues than it is standing up for its shareholders something has gone terribly wrong.“When Australian businesses are routinely bullied into supporting ideological positions, we have a big problem,” Mr Dutton said.
The CEO needs to concentrate on the operation of the airline before spruiking for more diversity. This stuff has killed people in the past:
A Tiger Airways Australia Boeing 737-800, registration VH-VUB performing flight TT-229 from Sydney,NS to Melbourne,VI (Australia), was climbing out of Sydney when the crew stopped the climb at about FL150 and descended back to FL100. About 5 minutes after levelling off at FL100 again the aircraft continued the climb to FL340 and continued to Melbourne for a safe landing about 85 minutes after departure.
On Jul 20th 2018 the ATSB reported while climbing through about FL100 the crew notice the cabin did not pressurize. The crew subsequently detected that the pressurization system had not been correctly armed during pre-flight checks. The occurrence was rated an incident and is being investigated.
On Jul 20th 2018 the ATSB reported while climbing through about FL100 the crew notice the cabin did not pressurize. The crew subsequently detected that the pressurization system had not been correctly armed during pre-flight checks. The occurrence was rated an incident and is being investigated.
Bigot! That's offensive to X chromosomes! Everyone knows X is a switch hitter and can go each way.
It's the Y chromosome that is gender specific... A true ideological outrage against all reason for the forward thinking modern progressive person. Chromosomal modification is a human right! Biology is not destiny.
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It's the Y chromosome that is gender specific... A true ideological outrage against all reason for the forward thinking modern progressive person. Chromosomal modification is a human right! Biology is not destiny.
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Of course, in a factual world, but the X fitted in with the narrative, in a post-factual world.
Tootle pip!!
PS; At least one of you doesn't even recognise a bit of tongue-in-cheek (at least attempted) humour.
And do look at the Australian Government style guide at the use of MX, as a replacement for Mr/Mrs/Miss/Mz, hence the proposed, perX, singular or plural, and allegedly more elegant than the Peoples Popular and Democratic Marxist State of Victoria, they/them as replacements for the sexist he/she, the latter, of course, being binary gendered, so doubly unacceptable.
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“The difficulty is that many of these companies have now withdrawn completely from any discussion about economic or industrial relations policy. No company is out there at the moment flying the flag on business tax cuts, very few companies are talking about the need for industrial relations reform and it is not good for public debate.“Economic reform becomes much harder if the government is left as a lone voice in any argument.“When the business community is more comfortable pursuing left political issues than it is standing up for its shareholders something has gone terribly wrong.“When Australian businesses are routinely bullied into supporting ideological positions, we have a big problem,” Mr Dutton said.
The last thing Australia needs right now are virtue-signalling lectures from business CEO's!As many have said here above - Run the f%$#ing company and run it well. Deliver a safe product at a quality price, FULL STOP
Only because alot of Australians are struggling right now, with huge bills and rising. It has become a very expensive country, very quickly and the egalitarian socialist definitely haven't helped (especially in corrupt "money burning" Socialist Republic of Victoria!).
Perhaps there is a lack of females amongst the pilot ranks because they are smarter than us men and realise how bad the conditions are in the industry and how pathetically pilots are viewed by management as a whole.
12 hour days, minimum rest where one doesn’t have time to eat/exercise properly. A lack of long term career progression in many airlines. I could go one but you get the idea
12 hour days, minimum rest where one doesn’t have time to eat/exercise properly. A lack of long term career progression in many airlines. I could go one but you get the idea
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Perhaps Merren should get out there and show us just how dedicated she is to gender equality in aviation.
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Of course, in a factual world, but the X fitted in with the narrative, in a post-factual world.
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The reason why industry veterans ran this industry was that they operationally understood the necessity to mitigate risk.
The modern airline faces more risk emanating from the hallowed halls of the board/executive management.
The Challenger Launch Decision is well worth a read. 105% certain Ms Merren hasn't read it.
Anybody thinking that an airline CEO gives a hoot about safety ought look around the world and see where the AOC responsibility resides...It certainly isn't with the CEO and board.
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My experience with this company as SLF ( best description of status that I can find) is that they really could do with a bit of diversity. Maybe some more mature check in staff who actually understand that keeping pax in a terminal for hours without any explanation of what is going on is not how any airline should run? Maybe staff who when there is a problem have a better solution than attempting to sell you another ticket as a hugely inflated price while the aircraft that you are booked on sits there with nothing happening? Maybe back office staff who when they receive a complaint actually address the problem?
I'm also with the comments that I don't see any diversity of age among the cabin crew. Perhaps Ms McArthur could address this issue as its an easy one to fix. Just run the ads and the age discriminated will come running.
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I'm also with the comments that I don't see any diversity of age among the cabin crew. Perhaps Ms McArthur could address this issue as its an easy one to fix. Just run the ads and the age discriminated will come running.
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Looks like they are sending the 737s to Clark for engineering.
These 737s are absolute pieces of junk. Have a look at the OTP 737 vs the A320. Dreadful. Always breaking down. Seem to be copping a lashing on social media for this too.
These 737s are absolute pieces of junk. Have a look at the OTP 737 vs the A320. Dreadful. Always breaking down. Seem to be copping a lashing on social media for this too.