Cobham Cadet Pilot Progam
Aerocat,
Maybe this one person was ok but will the dash 8 operation change the training to cater to significantly less experienced new joiners? Qlink and Jstar had some very close shaves early on in their cadet program.
I dont think low level night ops over water will be so forgiving.
Maybe this one person was ok but will the dash 8 operation change the training to cater to significantly less experienced new joiners? Qlink and Jstar had some very close shaves early on in their cadet program.
I dont think low level night ops over water will be so forgiving.
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I'll agree Aerocat as I've flown with them and also with the previous QF cadet when I was a MC. But that being said I also saw a lot of FO's type and non type rated not make it through the training. It will definitely be an interesting time but if you flood the aircraft with cadets in the right seat I cant seeing it end well. Drip feed them 1-2 per base every 12 months it might have a better chance of surviving. I've been out of their game for a number of years now but it was also discussed as far back around 07/08. I look forward to seeing how this one plays out
That program does not make for many places for a 53 week duration.
It is 1048 hours over the 53 weeks at an average of $117 per hour inc 200 flying.
They certainly are not making money out of it.
It is 1048 hours over the 53 weeks at an average of $117 per hour inc 200 flying.
They certainly are not making money out of it.
Not making any money?
ATPL ground school at a very reputable school, $4400. BAK, PPL, CPL and IREX is less than $4000 at a good school in Melbourne. These guys are making a good dollar at those prices. I will use those prices as a guide as to what FTA charge for ground theory.
So 100k minus 8.4k equals 91.6k
$92k for a CPL and IR rating? Bargain.
And before anyone calls me out on it, I didn't include the MCC cost because Cobham already provide this to new hires as part of the bond agreement. The fact that they are charging cadets for it is a sign of their good will.
ATPL ground school at a very reputable school, $4400. BAK, PPL, CPL and IREX is less than $4000 at a good school in Melbourne. These guys are making a good dollar at those prices. I will use those prices as a guide as to what FTA charge for ground theory.
So 100k minus 8.4k equals 91.6k
$92k for a CPL and IR rating? Bargain.
And before anyone calls me out on it, I didn't include the MCC cost because Cobham already provide this to new hires as part of the bond agreement. The fact that they are charging cadets for it is a sign of their good will.
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Not making any money?
ATPL ground school at a very reputable school, $4400. BAK, PPL, CPL and IREX is less than $4000 at a good school in Melbourne. These guys are king a good dollar at those prices.
So 100k minus 8.4k equals 91.6k
$92k for a CPL and IR rating? Bargain.
ATPL ground school at a very reputable school, $4400. BAK, PPL, CPL and IREX is less than $4000 at a good school in Melbourne. These guys are king a good dollar at those prices.
So 100k minus 8.4k equals 91.6k
$92k for a CPL and IR rating? Bargain.
$117 is subsidized.
Less than that is prostitution.
Ever run a company?
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Indeed.
Don't let the existence of a Cobham "group" of companies lead you to the conclusion that it is one big happy company, sharing and caring for pilots.
Cobham hire into 'silos' called 'business units' and do not facilitate pilot transfers across those business units.
There were a smattering up to and including 2001. Another smattering when "Uday" ascended to the GM throne and rewarded a few loyal SA drivers.
Nothing since.
Perhaps that may change.
On the day that it does, I shall look to the west to see the sun rise. ;-)
Don't let the existence of a Cobham "group" of companies lead you to the conclusion that it is one big happy company, sharing and caring for pilots.
Cobham hire into 'silos' called 'business units' and do not facilitate pilot transfers across those business units.
There were a smattering up to and including 2001. Another smattering when "Uday" ascended to the GM throne and rewarded a few loyal SA drivers.
Nothing since.
Perhaps that may change.
On the day that it does, I shall look to the west to see the sun rise. ;-)
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Laced with typical HR and management "uptalk", but it will be far from a good thing for anyone who is lured into signing up.
I'll just leave these here:
Toxic
Deceptive
Skin deep safety culture
Exploitation
Do with those what you will.
I'll just leave these here:
Toxic
Deceptive
Skin deep safety culture
Exploitation
Do with those what you will.
Most pilots turn up at an Airline with a qualification that cost the Airline nothing! This has to change.
My daughter has just finished Medicine and she has a Hex of $121K
I dont think medical graduates go door knocking for jobs or start on $42k a year
In 2014 a study by the major Universities reported "the average starting salary among all graduates was $48,888", so pilot "graduates", while below the average, certainly aren't alone. Everyone has to start somewhere, and it's usually at the bottom.
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I see your point Traffic, but to be fair, universities do not accept more students than there are placements for doctors. If you cut the mustard in Med school, and pass off as a normal human with respect to work ethic, presentation, etc. you are guaranteed a job afterwards. The starting salary you quote is also the first year 'internship' salary which climbs to $200k within a few short years. You are not stuck on 45k as a university tutor for three years before progressing to a hospital seniority list starting at 80k for the next 5 years before finally getting the golden nugget.
Each to their own though. Im sure Cobham will fill their quota and then some with people willing to fork out a buck fifty with no guarantees.
Each to their own though. Im sure Cobham will fill their quota and then some with people willing to fork out a buck fifty with no guarantees.
They don't accept more students than there are places for doctors because the AMA and associated professional guilds etc control the numbers. Uni's do however, churn out engineers, accountants, teachers etc in far greater numbers than there are jobs, thus forcing some to settle for something else, or go overseas seeking positions. The starting salary I quoted from the report was the average of all graduates. Med grads were $64.5k behind engineers on $68k. If you want to make money rather than follow your passion, choose them.
Two points to remember. You actually have to do really well at high school to get into a medicine degree. You also have to study incredibly hard to graduate.
A CPL course will take almost anyone and will keep you repeating things until you pass or run out of money. Medical school won't let you do that.
When you get a CPL your qualified to fly pretty much nothing bigger than a 182 and that's it.
Medical graduates have a wide selection of career paths that don't necessarily coincide with treating human patients.
A medical degree is a bit more of a meal ticket than a CPL.
A CPL course will take almost anyone and will keep you repeating things until you pass or run out of money. Medical school won't let you do that.
When you get a CPL your qualified to fly pretty much nothing bigger than a 182 and that's it.
Medical graduates have a wide selection of career paths that don't necessarily coincide with treating human patients.
A medical degree is a bit more of a meal ticket than a CPL.
The starting salary you quote is also the first year 'internship' salary which climbs to $200k within a few short years.
