Gutless QANTAS
Both countries have a brutal history of thuggery. Granted Taiwan's move toward a democracy. Taiwanese aren't always clear-cut with what they want in terms of China so its just another civil war we're getting involved in for economic loss?
If the West is serious about Taiwan. Arm them ! China will only become more belligerent as its air force and navy comfortably ascends Taiwan's military capabilities which are facing block obsolescence.
If the West is serious about Taiwan. Arm them ! China will only become more belligerent as its air force and navy comfortably ascends Taiwan's military capabilities which are facing block obsolescence.
Just a commercial decision.
China is important to Australia. These issues need to be worked through at the same time as lessoning our dependance on the Chinese ( reminds me of America's Middle East dependance ). Qantas wisely kowtowed.
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What do we expect? This is the same Qantas who just a few years back flew an A380 flypast to celebrate Australia Day but now encourages its people to refer to said times as ‘the invasion’ and ‘the invaders’. International offence and encouraging Ill feeling toward others and Qantas are no strangers.
Why is it QF who are being attacked on this site when the reality is most governments (including Australia’s) and most other airlines and companies who trade with China have the exact same policy? Is it just an excuse for more QF bashing for any reason that exists throughout this forum?
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If Qantas felt that the federal government was going to get involved in multi lateral trade pact that was going to pursue amendments to the Open Skies agreement directed solely at China, then I'm sure that Qantas and Flight Centre for that matter would be able to find the pair that seems to have gone astray. Don't hold your breath.
If anyone seriously thinks Julie Bishop or Steve Ciobo is going to take this up with their Chinese counterparts you've got to be kidding, they have much bigger battles to fight both now and in the future. The Chinese authorities have threatened unilateral inbound bans to both Qantas and Flight Centre. These parliamentarians are already working hard to dispel the propaganda the the CCP is spreading about Australian she being racist and university students being subject to violence and intimidation.
Qantas and flight centre have no room to move in these matters, not because of their lack of cahooneys but largely because of the well established lack of Cahooneys of all governments in the era of trade liberalisation. And before anyone starts saying what about the orange man with tiny hands in America, let's wait and see how it all works out for him before we start getting too carried away with that line of thought.
Don't conflate your homophobia with with the QF board's imperative to safeguard their business.
If anyone seriously thinks Julie Bishop or Steve Ciobo is going to take this up with their Chinese counterparts you've got to be kidding, they have much bigger battles to fight both now and in the future. The Chinese authorities have threatened unilateral inbound bans to both Qantas and Flight Centre. These parliamentarians are already working hard to dispel the propaganda the the CCP is spreading about Australian she being racist and university students being subject to violence and intimidation.
Qantas and flight centre have no room to move in these matters, not because of their lack of cahooneys but largely because of the well established lack of Cahooneys of all governments in the era of trade liberalisation. And before anyone starts saying what about the orange man with tiny hands in America, let's wait and see how it all works out for him before we start getting too carried away with that line of thought.
Don't conflate your homophobia with with the QF board's imperative to safeguard their business.
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If Qantas felt that the federal government was going to get involved in multi lateral trade pact that was going to pursue amendments to the Open Skies agreement directed solely at China, then I'm sure that Qantas and Flight Centre for that matter would be able to find the pair that seems to have gone astray. Don't hold your breath.
If anyone seriously thinks Julie Bishop or Steve Ciobo is going to take this up with their Chinese counterparts you've got to be kidding, they have much bigger battles to fight both now and in the future. The Chinese authorities have threatened unilateral inbound bans to both Qantas and Flight Centre. These parliamentarians are already working hard to dispel the propaganda the the CCP is spreading about Australian she being racist and university students being subject to violence and intimidation.
Qantas and flight centre have no room to move in these matters, not because of their lack of cahooneys but largely because of the well established lack of Cahooneys of all governments in the era of trade liberalisation. And before anyone starts saying what about the orange man with tiny hands in America, let's wait and see how it all works out for him before we start getting too carried away with that line of thought.
Don't conflate your homophobia with with the QF board's imperative to safeguard their business.
If anyone seriously thinks Julie Bishop or Steve Ciobo is going to take this up with their Chinese counterparts you've got to be kidding, they have much bigger battles to fight both now and in the future. The Chinese authorities have threatened unilateral inbound bans to both Qantas and Flight Centre. These parliamentarians are already working hard to dispel the propaganda the the CCP is spreading about Australian she being racist and university students being subject to violence and intimidation.
Qantas and flight centre have no room to move in these matters, not because of their lack of cahooneys but largely because of the well established lack of Cahooneys of all governments in the era of trade liberalisation. And before anyone starts saying what about the orange man with tiny hands in America, let's wait and see how it all works out for him before we start getting too carried away with that line of thought.
Don't conflate your homophobia with with the QF board's imperative to safeguard their business.
Captain Bloggs, I might suggest that consistency for its own sake doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either.
There is some merit in speaking out on issues that you believe you may have an influence over while not picking pointless fights when it will only demonstrate your weakness in a field of debate also seems to have merit even you disagree with the issue at hand.
We Australians all get a bit tetchy when people talk about sex, politics and religion, I suspect we may respectfully disagree on the issues at hand but I think talking about these issues respectfully is what makes the world go around, perhaps in that much we have a bit in common.
There is some merit in speaking out on issues that you believe you may have an influence over while not picking pointless fights when it will only demonstrate your weakness in a field of debate also seems to have merit even you disagree with the issue at hand.
We Australians all get a bit tetchy when people talk about sex, politics and religion, I suspect we may respectfully disagree on the issues at hand but I think talking about these issues respectfully is what makes the world go around, perhaps in that much we have a bit in common.
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Right thing
So as a business leader what would you do? Cut of your nose to spite your face?
Look at the list of other airlines who have already changed, have you made online attacks against them?
So if Qantas said no........ Hmmmm your Beijing and Shanghai slots have been revoked? Hong Kong? Expansion into China and south east Asia. As a business leader one needs to think long term.
So I ask what would you have done?
Look at the list of other airlines who have already changed, have you made online attacks against them?
So if Qantas said no........ Hmmmm your Beijing and Shanghai slots have been revoked? Hong Kong? Expansion into China and south east Asia. As a business leader one needs to think long term.
So I ask what would you have done?
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Sure lets go with that.....Qantas has no choice and its up to Qantas if Chinese carriers get slots in western countries...oh wait!!!
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