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Old 6th Jun 2018, 04:57
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Both countries have a brutal history of thuggery. Granted Taiwan's move toward a democracy. Taiwanese aren't always clear-cut with what they want in terms of China so its just another civil war we're getting involved in for economic loss?

If the West is serious about Taiwan. Arm them ! China will only become more belligerent as its air force and navy comfortably ascends Taiwan's military capabilities which are facing block obsolescence.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 07:51
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Just a commercial decision.

Isn’t this more something our Government should be protesting about?
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 08:12
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Just a commercial decision.
Indeed ! Our vintners have finally found a market for our overpriced and average wine. In typical slicing the salami fashion, the Chinese have left shipments stalled and possibly roasting on the docks. All pay back and bullying for Australian government rightfully pursuing foreign interference policies.

China is important to Australia. These issues need to be worked through at the same time as lessoning our dependance on the Chinese ( reminds me of America's Middle East dependance ). Qantas wisely kowtowed.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 08:20
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What do we expect? This is the same Qantas who just a few years back flew an A380 flypast to celebrate Australia Day but now encourages its people to refer to said times as ‘the invasion’ and ‘the invaders’. International offence and encouraging Ill feeling toward others and Qantas are no strangers.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 19:02
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What is the UN view of Taiwan?
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 23:35
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Why is it QF who are being attacked on this site when the reality is most governments (including Australia’s) and most other airlines and companies who trade with China have the exact same policy? Is it just an excuse for more QF bashing for any reason that exists throughout this forum?


Precisely Dr Dre... I see no one branding Virgin as gutless and feckless and JB as a f-wit yet VA NEVER had Taiwan as separate to China on it's website and completely side-stepped the issue... but of course, that doesn't make them or him gutless because they don't have a kangaroo on the tail of their aircraft. One-sided and convenient... given a choice between working for a profitable company and working for one that hasn't made a profit for 7 years and only survives by borrowing money from it's investors, I'll take the profitable one that modifies its China references to be in line with the UN and most of the world's nation States.

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Old 9th Jun 2018, 04:27
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If Qantas felt that the federal government was going to get involved in multi lateral trade pact that was going to pursue amendments to the Open Skies agreement directed solely at China, then I'm sure that Qantas and Flight Centre for that matter would be able to find the pair that seems to have gone astray. Don't hold your breath.

If anyone seriously thinks Julie Bishop or Steve Ciobo is going to take this up with their Chinese counterparts you've got to be kidding, they have much bigger battles to fight both now and in the future. The Chinese authorities have threatened unilateral inbound bans to both Qantas and Flight Centre. These parliamentarians are already working hard to dispel the propaganda the the CCP is spreading about Australian she being racist and university students being subject to violence and intimidation.

Qantas and flight centre have no room to move in these matters, not because of their lack of cahooneys but largely because of the well established lack of Cahooneys of all governments in the era of trade liberalisation. And before anyone starts saying what about the orange man with tiny hands in America, let's wait and see how it all works out for him before we start getting too carried away with that line of thought.

Don't conflate your homophobia with with the QF board's imperative to safeguard their business.
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 00:57
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Originally Posted by Willie Nelson View Post
If Qantas felt that the federal government was going to get involved in multi lateral trade pact that was going to pursue amendments to the Open Skies agreement directed solely at China, then I'm sure that Qantas and Flight Centre for that matter would be able to find the pair that seems to have gone astray. Don't hold your breath.

If anyone seriously thinks Julie Bishop or Steve Ciobo is going to take this up with their Chinese counterparts you've got to be kidding, they have much bigger battles to fight both now and in the future. The Chinese authorities have threatened unilateral inbound bans to both Qantas and Flight Centre. These parliamentarians are already working hard to dispel the propaganda the the CCP is spreading about Australian she being racist and university students being subject to violence and intimidation.

Qantas and flight centre have no room to move in these matters, not because of their lack of cahooneys but largely because of the well established lack of Cahooneys of all governments in the era of trade liberalisation. And before anyone starts saying what about the orange man with tiny hands in America, let's wait and see how it all works out for him before we start getting too carried away with that line of thought.

Don't conflate your homophobia with with the QF board's imperative to safeguard their business.
I actually agree with you, however when the board feel it imperative to weigh in what political and social agendas they see fit it is reeks of weakness and lacks leadership when they have a perfect time to continue such a stance. In this instance they have actually stuck to what they do best and that is run an airline. But you cannot have your foot in both camps. They should keep out of all politics full stop! Or at the very least be consistent
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 09:27
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Captain Bloggs, I might suggest that consistency for its own sake doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either.

There is some merit in speaking out on issues that you believe you may have an influence over while not picking pointless fights when it will only demonstrate your weakness in a field of debate also seems to have merit even you disagree with the issue at hand.

We Australians all get a bit tetchy when people talk about sex, politics and religion, I suspect we may respectfully disagree on the issues at hand but I think talking about these issues respectfully is what makes the world go around, perhaps in that much we have a bit in common.
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Willie
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Don't bring me into this!! I'm staying well away...
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 19:26
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Right thing

Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
So as a business leader what would you do? Cut of your nose to spite your face?

Look at the list of other airlines who have already changed, have you made online attacks against them?

So if Qantas said no........ Hmmmm your Beijing and Shanghai slots have been revoked? Hong Kong? Expansion into China and south east Asia. As a business leader one needs to think long term.

So I ask what would you have done?
Stand up for what is morally and ethically right....Then if they play hardball get your western allies to revoke all of their slots and show them who is boss!!
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Old 10th Jun 2018, 20:48
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Qantas doesn’t have any “Western allies”.

All of Australia’s Western allies happen to acknowledge the same political landscape Qantas has acquiesced to.
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 00:38
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Originally Posted by *Lancer* View Post
Qantas doesn’t have any “Western allies”.

All of Australia’s Western allies happen to acknowledge the same political landscape Qantas has acquiesced to.
Sure lets go with that.....Qantas has no choice and its up to Qantas if Chinese carriers get slots in western countries...oh wait!!!
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Old 12th Jun 2018, 18:17
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Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic View Post
Stand up for what is morally and ethically right....Then if they play hardball get your western allies to revoke all of their slots and show them who is boss!!
Brings tears to the eyes... every European airport would kill for a Chinese service
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