MERGED: Qantas ...was it blackmail?
Neville,
It's about airport demand management.
Perhaps so, but the airport IS responsible for providing the movement areas, parking areas and passenger handling facilities. Smaller airports such as Canberra have limited space and can't accept too many international diversions. Diversion agreements help the airport to manage the efficient use of its facilities by limiting the number of large aircraft that might turn up with little notice.
It matters because the airport's scheduled flights can't move if the airport becomes clogged with diverted aircraft.
It's about airport demand management.
The operator of the aircraft is responsible for ground handling not the airport..
And even if they get swamped in a 9-11 type mass diversion what does it matter?
Neville,
It's about airport demand management.
Perhaps so, but the airport IS responsible for providing the movement areas, parking areas and passenger handling facilities. Smaller airports such as Canberra have limited space and can't accept too many international diversions. Diversion agreements help the airport to manage the efficient use of its facilities by limiting the number of large aircraft that might turn up with little notice.
It matters because the airport's scheduled flights can't move if the airport becomes clogged with diverted aircraft.
It's about airport demand management.
Perhaps so, but the airport IS responsible for providing the movement areas, parking areas and passenger handling facilities. Smaller airports such as Canberra have limited space and can't accept too many international diversions. Diversion agreements help the airport to manage the efficient use of its facilities by limiting the number of large aircraft that might turn up with little notice.
It matters because the airport's scheduled flights can't move if the airport becomes clogged with diverted aircraft.
If a 9/11 event happened they don't exactly have to worry about scheduled flights if the whole airspace is closed do they?
Smaller airports such as Canberra have limited space...
This is what happens when mule-stupid governments deliver public monopoly infrastructure into the hands of private greed.
This is what happens when mule-stupid governments deliver public monopoly infrastructure into the hands of private greed.
Short term cash grabs by state and federal governments at the long term expense of Joe public. It’s one of the reasons Australians are always complaining about our huge cost of living.
Selling of public assets to private enterprise is the worst thing governments can possibly do.
I’ve been hearing about the “Glenora Precinct expansion in the next 5 years” for around the last 15 years...
Last edited by Lead Balloon; 18th May 2018 at 01:34.
Diversion agreements help the airport to manage the efficient use of its facilities by limiting the number of large aircraft that might turn up with little notice.
Personally I would have call the Feds to move the car and told the airport to sort it out with legal department because I still can't see how what the Airport did was actually legal.
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Personally I would have call the Feds to move the car and told the airport to sort it out with legal department because I still can't see how what the Airport did was actually legal
Must be something in the water down that way...Goulburn airport dispute sees the lessor threaten to erect earthen berms to block hangar access to the taxiways.
have an acquaintance who is a Lawyer and I next time I see him I intend asking him about the legality of this event.
Try leaving a multi story car park without paying, the boom gate stays down. Wheel clamping comes to mind? Refusing to pay at a bar, security guard "restrains" you until police arrive, same at a supermarket etc etc
Still a really bad look.
The Qantas refueller is on an account. The movements at CB and elsewhere are not COD they're on an account. AirServices charges and other landing fees are on an account. Why not just add this movement to the QF CB acct??
I did see the AF mob park a grader in front of an aircraft once however over a disputed account...I guess they could have wheel clamped it!
I did see the AF mob park a grader in front of an aircraft once however over a disputed account...I guess they could have wheel clamped it!
It probably has something to do with the airport's fee structure for international diversions. If there's no agreement between the airport and the airline, there's a risk the airline will refuse to pay the bill. It seems the airport was simply waiting for the airline to agree to pay the charges because there was no formal agreement in place. Is that so unreasonable? There's at least one other major airport in Australia that has had to write off bad debts caused by airlines that refused to pay various charges. Why shouldn't the airport operator try to protect itself?
Although people can consent to their freedom of movement being limited by entering premises or public or commercial transport, that does not mean they are consenting to have their freedom of movement blocked as a consequence of a stoush about money between two companies. If I’d been a passenger or crew on the aircraft, I’d take action for false imprisonment against whoever decided to park the truck to stop the aircraft moving. You don’t even have to have known why the aircraft wasn’t moving at the time.
I consent to remaining stationary on the tarmac if the crew or ATC have decided that the weather is such as to make it safer to depart after a 30 minute delay. I do not consent to remaining stationary on the tarmac as a pawn in an argument about money between two companies.
Speaking of guards and supermarkets, in this case a suspected shoplifter was found to have been falsely imprisoned by security guards and police who took up a formation to ‘guide’ the suspect to the store security room:
Myer Stores Ltd v Soo [1991] VicRp 97; [1991] 2 VR 597 (13 November 1990)
The difference with car park booms and wheel clamping is that the person is not imprisoned. The person can walk away.
There is this quaint concept - generally ignored by greedy millionaires - that personal liberty is more important than the payment of a debt. There are ways to get debts paid without interfering with someone’s freedom of movement.
Lead Balloon:
Were the aircraft's occupants 'imprisoned' in this case and, if so, by whom? In the car park/wheel clamping example, you said the 'person can walk away'. Theoretically, the 'person' in the airport incident can do exactly the same by getting off the aircraft. Surely the person is only 'imprisoned' if the airline or airport operator prevents that from happening.
The difference with car park booms and wheel clamping is that the person is not imprisoned. The person can walk away.
Why shouldn't the airport operator try to protect itself?
If the crew shut the doors and called for pushback clearance I think the airport would have been in some trouble legally.
This could have also been a poker game with the airport seeing what they could get away with knowing their actions were 100% illegal.
It probably has something to do with the airport's fee structure for international diversions. If there's no agreement between the airport and the airline, there's a risk the airline will refuse to pay the bill. It seems the airport was simply waiting for the airline to agree to pay the charges because there was no formal agreement in place. Is that so unreasonable? There's at least one other major airport in Australia that has had to write off bad debts caused by airlines that refused to pay various charges. Why shouldn't the airport operator try to protect itself?
If the crew shut the doors and called for pushback clearance I think the airport would have been in some trouble legally.
This could have also been a poker game with the airport seeing what they could get away with knowing their actions were 100% illegal.
This could have also been a poker game with the airport seeing what they could get away with knowing their actions were 100% illegal.
It's taken a year for QF to leak this, Something else is afoot.
