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Qantas out Virgin in at Tamworth, Announced at Tamworth a few minutes ago.(https://www.northerndailyleader.com....mworth/?cs=12)
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Given Qantas' acute pilot recruiting and retention problem right now, it suggests to me that the pool of suitable pilots has already dried up.
Otherwise, among other things, Qantas would not be supporting importing pilots on whatever a 457 visa is now called.
"Other things" including service cancellations and severe crimps on operational planning.
Tootle pip!!
Given Qantas' acute pilot recruiting and retention problem right now, it suggests to me that the pool of suitable pilots has already dried up.
Otherwise, among other things, Qantas would not be supporting importing pilots on whatever a 457 visa is now called.
"Other things" including service cancellations and severe crimps on operational planning.
Tootle pip!!
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Folks,
Given Qantas' acute pilot recruiting and retention problem right now, it suggests to me that the pool of suitable pilots has already dried up.
Otherwise, among other things, Qantas would not be supporting importing pilots on whatever a 457 visa is now called.
"Other things" including service cancellations and severe crimps on operational planning.
Tootle pip!!
Given Qantas' acute pilot recruiting and retention problem right now, it suggests to me that the pool of suitable pilots has already dried up.
Otherwise, among other things, Qantas would not be supporting importing pilots on whatever a 457 visa is now called.
"Other things" including service cancellations and severe crimps on operational planning.
Tootle pip!!
Think of the following as a continuance of the same game:
- Network Aviation desperately trying to lure foreign pilots with big rumoured sign on and retention bonuses (all designed to provide an illusion of abundant supply)
- A 'stream lead' former AIPA president actively involved in pilot supply.
- Expanded 'skill shortage' visa categories including directly into Qantas being lobbied.
- Pilot training colleges (were the financial burden is evenly split between the applicant and the taxpayer)
- Open and delayed contractual 'negotiations'
- Rumours circulating of another 'cull' of staff. Where form this time Little Napoleon?
All of that is a recognition that QF are acutely aware of the impending shortage. They will do everything in their power to ensure the deck is stacked the way the have enjoyed it. With a hasty order for A320 NEO now having to be absorbed in an over-scale demand elastic JQ, the existing A320 have to go somewhere!
Sadly in demographics is destiny and all of their effort is pointless. Does not mean they will change until the cancellation rate is noticed at board level and questions are asked. Usually this will follow a 'material change' being disclosed under ASX listing rules.
I’ve read the headline that QF is no longer partnering with L3....or vice versa.
anyone know more?
is this another redQ? Another over promise and under deliver example? It’s gone pretty quiet of late
anyone know more?
is this another redQ? Another over promise and under deliver example? It’s gone pretty quiet of late
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Red Q, JQ HK, a game changing alliance?
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The scuttlebutt is along the lines of ……
- Impossible timelines
- unable to secure instructors
- Wagners not prepared to foot the bill for the QF largesse
- Inept decisions makers
- L3 scratching their head/nuts..... gone home because its all too hard.
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The scuttlebutt is along the lines of ……
- Impossible timelines
- unable to secure instructors
- Wagners not prepared to foot the bill for the QF largesse
- Inept decisions makers
- L3 scratching their head/nuts..... gone home because its all too hard.
Qantas did not do any diligence in Hong Kong, Little Napoleon made a series of megaphone announcements alongside with Uncle Fester (Bruce Buchanan).
From the bid's structure any research was post announcement, poorly considered.
The ruling rejecting their bid was axiomatic from day one: They never were correctly incorporated, nor had their Principal Place of Business in Hong Kong.
https://www.scmp.com/business/compan...cence-rejected
Rather like the screams for taxpayer assistance in December 2013 that disappeared six weeks later, the hysterics of Little Napoleon were to be subject to scrutiny, Qantas would have to demonstrate to a financially astute audience that they actually were disadvantaged. They were not prepared to do this, had nothing to support their statement, so they quietly backed away.
Red Q was the same; thought bubble in search of a strategy. It was opposed by localised resistance. Megaphone diplomacy, poor strategy and worse execution.
See the pattern?
This announcement appears to be a similar pattern.
A thought bubble, no research, poor strategy and shockingly executed.
It will be pushed with weasel words into the future.
The good news though is that the announcement shows pilots that Qantas are sufficiently concerned about pilot supply to acknowledge it.
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It was a vain attempt to make pilots think they are an easy to produce commodity timed to coincide with contract negotiation. The shortage we were never going to have us happening.
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Quite probably the last entity to feel the shortage will be Qantas 'mainline' itself.
Rest assured they know all about it here in Europe. The subsidiaries would be the likely benefactor of the 'college product' which wasn't really what the glossy brochure indicated...
I can't agree that instructor availability need be a problem. Plenty of G1s about who are under-employed or semi-retired. Pay us what we're really worth, (well above award!), as experienced Grade 1's with all the training approvals, and there would be dozens who'd re-locate to Toowoomba or Bendigo. But that probably is beyond the horizon of the bean counters on the QF flying school project.
happy days,
happy days,
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I can't agree that instructor availability need be a problem. Plenty of G1s about who are under-employed or semi-retired. Pay us what we're really worth, (well above award!), as experienced Grade 1's with all the training approvals, and there would be dozens who'd re-locate to Toowoomba or Bendigo. But that probably is beyond the horizon of the bean counters on the QF flying school project.
happy days,
happy days,
Precisely why they will not do it.
Recognising the shortage (albeit late) Little Napoleon and the herds of IR/HR are desperate to prove that there is no shortage.
The airline recruiting template was predicated on unlimited supply of qualified applicants, this paradigm existed for the last decades.
This 'school' is all about securing further unlimited supply of pilots.
The sweet irony is that the very thing they are fighting against (increasing terms and conditions, to induce more supply) demonstrates that the shortage is real!
“Four months before the first *Qantas pilot academy is due to open at Toowoomba’s Wellcamp Airport, the training provider has pulled out of the project and building designs are still to be finalised and lodged with the local council.
The US-based L3 Commercial Training Solutions confirmed the split with Qantas, but would not divulge the reason.
A statement provided by L3 Commercial Training Solutions said “we have been unable to reach an agreement to move the project forward at this time, however, we wish Qantas all the best in their next steps to open a world-class facility”.
Under the original contract, L3 Commercial Training was expected to provide trainers and about 40 single and twin-engine aircraft to the academy, with a view to training 100 pilots in the first year and up to 250 in subsequent years.
Qantas is expected to announce a new training provider in coming weeks and said the academy remained on track for a mid-year opening.
Wellcamp Airport was announced the winner of a national competition for the training academy last year, due to the owners’ ability to deliver the facilities by July.
Toowoomba’s Wagner family famously built the airport in just 19 months, and is believed to have stumped up considerable funds for the $35 million project, along with the Queensland government.
This week, John Wagner said the academy was progressing to plan but he declined to comment on the question over the training provider.
The executive manager of the Qantas Group Pilot Academy Wes Nobelius said it had been “a busy couple of months for the academy team with detailed design work under way”.
Designs for all of the facilities including hangars, classroom and accommodation were expected to be lodged with Toowoomba *Regional Council in coming weeks.
But student accommodation would not be completed before the academy opened.
“Naturally it takes time to have facilities designed, approved and built so to make sure we can start training as soon as possible, we’re looking at temporary accommodation for the first intake of students mid-year,” Mr Nobelius said
Qantas is understood to have had strong interest from budding pilots and a scholarship program was being developed to help some students achieve their dream.
The airline is yet to announce the location of a second pilot training academy, with eight regional centres in the running including Bendigo, Launceston, Wagga Wagga, Busselton, Alice Springs, Mackay and Dubbo.
Tamworth was scratched from the race after announcing a deal with Virgin Australia. The rival carrier is yet to announce a training partner but is believed to be looking at several options including the Hainan Airlines, Southern Cross University and CAE.”
The US-based L3 Commercial Training Solutions confirmed the split with Qantas, but would not divulge the reason.
A statement provided by L3 Commercial Training Solutions said “we have been unable to reach an agreement to move the project forward at this time, however, we wish Qantas all the best in their next steps to open a world-class facility”.
Under the original contract, L3 Commercial Training was expected to provide trainers and about 40 single and twin-engine aircraft to the academy, with a view to training 100 pilots in the first year and up to 250 in subsequent years.
Qantas is expected to announce a new training provider in coming weeks and said the academy remained on track for a mid-year opening.
Wellcamp Airport was announced the winner of a national competition for the training academy last year, due to the owners’ ability to deliver the facilities by July.
Toowoomba’s Wagner family famously built the airport in just 19 months, and is believed to have stumped up considerable funds for the $35 million project, along with the Queensland government.
This week, John Wagner said the academy was progressing to plan but he declined to comment on the question over the training provider.
The executive manager of the Qantas Group Pilot Academy Wes Nobelius said it had been “a busy couple of months for the academy team with detailed design work under way”.
Designs for all of the facilities including hangars, classroom and accommodation were expected to be lodged with Toowoomba *Regional Council in coming weeks.
But student accommodation would not be completed before the academy opened.
“Naturally it takes time to have facilities designed, approved and built so to make sure we can start training as soon as possible, we’re looking at temporary accommodation for the first intake of students mid-year,” Mr Nobelius said
Qantas is understood to have had strong interest from budding pilots and a scholarship program was being developed to help some students achieve their dream.
The airline is yet to announce the location of a second pilot training academy, with eight regional centres in the running including Bendigo, Launceston, Wagga Wagga, Busselton, Alice Springs, Mackay and Dubbo.
Tamworth was scratched from the race after announcing a deal with Virgin Australia. The rival carrier is yet to announce a training partner but is believed to be looking at several options including the Hainan Airlines, Southern Cross University and CAE.”
Meanwhile FTA (Flight Training Adelaide) who are hemmed in at Parafield have “soft started” a satellite training facility at Port Lincoln with four aircraft and completed ab initio training of reportedly Cebu Air students and now training reportedly Indigo students. The relatively uncluttered airspace on lower Eyre Peninsula is proving beneficial for FTA but local rec flyers are getting annoyed by the extra traffic particularly as FTA have a Development Application lodged for a multimillion dollar facility at Port Lincoln airport with up to 22 aircraft, an additional 65000 movements a year and decommissioning of an essential gravel runway. The natives are getting really restless particularly as the District Council of Lower Eyre Peninsula have failed to consult widely with the broader community of ratepayers.
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QF and the Wagners all wanted too bigger slice of the profit pie for providing the fancy new facilities and student pool.
L3 told Qantas that instructors wouldn’t want to pay for the privilege of training future QF pilots leaving Alan dumbfounded.
“it really is unbelievable that instructors expect to be paid to fly these wonderful new machines,” said Alan.
The Qantas Flight Training Group executive were seen left scratching their nuts in a familiar teapot stance as L3 walked away leaving Qantas to wonder what providers are left that haven’t already been consumed by overseas airline academies.
Alan was heard screaming “you’ll be back!” as L3 were seen taking off on their private jet to establish another training facility this time in Portugal for 500 cadets a year.
L3 told Qantas that instructors wouldn’t want to pay for the privilege of training future QF pilots leaving Alan dumbfounded.
“it really is unbelievable that instructors expect to be paid to fly these wonderful new machines,” said Alan.
The Qantas Flight Training Group executive were seen left scratching their nuts in a familiar teapot stance as L3 walked away leaving Qantas to wonder what providers are left that haven’t already been consumed by overseas airline academies.
Alan was heard screaming “you’ll be back!” as L3 were seen taking off on their private jet to establish another training facility this time in Portugal for 500 cadets a year.
Last edited by crosscutter; 22nd Mar 2019 at 04:57.
