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Old 18th Oct 2018, 10:13
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where will the Engineers come from to maintain the 40 aircraft they have planned
457 Visas ?

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Old 20th Oct 2018, 07:07
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And all the imported LAME’s will have their CASA tickets by next July?
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 08:17
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Queensland and Near Toowoomba Air Services as qouted in the Courier Mail last week.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 22:52
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Qantas out Virgin in at Tamworth, Announced at Tamworth a few minutes ago.(https://www.northerndailyleader.com....mworth/?cs=12)
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 23:44
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But once that pool has dried up.....?
Folks,
Given Qantas' acute pilot recruiting and retention problem right now, it suggests to me that the pool of suitable pilots has already dried up.
Otherwise, among other things, Qantas would not be supporting importing pilots on whatever a 457 visa is now called.
"Other things" including service cancellations and severe crimps on operational planning.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 02:44
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Originally Posted by LeadSled View Post
Folks,
Given Qantas' acute pilot recruiting and retention problem right now, it suggests to me that the pool of suitable pilots has already dried up.
Otherwise, among other things, Qantas would not be supporting importing pilots on whatever a 457 visa is now called.
"Other things" including service cancellations and severe crimps on operational planning.
Tootle pip!!
Naturally. QF have had ample supply for decades. Around that now erroneous assumption has been framed a whole infrastructure of adversarial IR.
Think of the following as a continuance of the same game:
  • Network Aviation desperately trying to lure foreign pilots with big rumoured sign on and retention bonuses (all designed to provide an illusion of abundant supply)
  • A 'stream lead' former AIPA president actively involved in pilot supply.
  • Expanded 'skill shortage' visa categories including directly into Qantas being lobbied.
  • Pilot training colleges (were the financial burden is evenly split between the applicant and the taxpayer)
  • Open and delayed contractual 'negotiations'
  • Rumours circulating of another 'cull' of staff. Where form this time Little Napoleon?

All of that is a recognition that QF are acutely aware of the impending shortage. They will do everything in their power to ensure the deck is stacked the way the have enjoyed it. With a hasty order for A320 NEO now having to be absorbed in an over-scale demand elastic JQ, the existing A320 have to go somewhere!
Sadly in demographics is destiny and all of their effort is pointless. Does not mean they will change until the cancellation rate is noticed at board level and questions are asked. Usually this will follow a 'material change' being disclosed under ASX listing rules.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 09:56
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So where will QF find all of the instructors needed to train their 500+ pilots per year, let alone VA's ...?
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 03:21
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Former flight instructors from within their own ranks.There are always pilots prepared to sacrifice for the company to climb the greasy pole.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 09:33
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QF don't have to find any.

That's a problem for L3 in Wellcamp, and whoever gets the gig to run #2 (Bendigo)
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 03:08
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I’ve read the headline that QF is no longer partnering with L3....or vice versa.

anyone know more?

is this another redQ? Another over promise and under deliver example? It’s gone pretty quiet of late

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Old 14th Mar 2019, 06:02
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Originally Posted by crosscutter View Post
I’ve read the headline that QF is no longer partnering with L3....or vice versa.

anyone know more?

is this another redQ? Another over promise and under deliver example? It’s gone pretty quiet of late

Didn't Little Napoleon boast it would be operating mid-2019?

Red Q, JQ HK, a game changing alliance?

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Old 14th Mar 2019, 10:25
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The whole thing has gone very quiet!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
The whole thing has gone very quiet!
Might be time for a 'terminal decline' with strained faces and accompanying puff pieces! It is after all 'contract season'
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 05:04
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The scuttlebutt is along the lines of ……
  • Impossible timelines
  • unable to secure instructors
  • Wagners not prepared to foot the bill for the QF largesse
  • Inept decisions makers
  • L3 scratching their head/nuts..... gone home because its all too hard.
For something due to start in 2019..... its gone very very quiet
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 07:36
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Originally Posted by TWOTBAGS View Post
The scuttlebutt is along the lines of ……
  • Impossible timelines
  • unable to secure instructors
  • Wagners not prepared to foot the bill for the QF largesse
  • Inept decisions makers
  • L3 scratching their head/nuts..... gone home because its all too hard.
For something due to start in 2019..... its gone very very quiet
Anyone who understood the flawed bid to start up JQ Hong Kong knows it failed at the first hurdle.
Qantas did not do any diligence in Hong Kong, Little Napoleon made a series of megaphone announcements alongside with Uncle Fester (Bruce Buchanan).
From the bid's structure any research was post announcement, poorly considered.
The ruling rejecting their bid was axiomatic from day one: They never were correctly incorporated, nor had their Principal Place of Business in Hong Kong.


https://www.scmp.com/business/compan...cence-rejected

Rather like the screams for taxpayer assistance in December 2013 that disappeared six weeks later, the hysterics of Little Napoleon were to be subject to scrutiny, Qantas would have to demonstrate to a financially astute audience that they actually were disadvantaged. They were not prepared to do this, had nothing to support their statement, so they quietly backed away.

Red Q was the same; thought bubble in search of a strategy. It was opposed by localised resistance. Megaphone diplomacy, poor strategy and worse execution.

See the pattern?

This announcement appears to be a similar pattern.
A thought bubble, no research, poor strategy and shockingly executed.
It will be pushed with weasel words into the future.

The good news though is that the announcement shows pilots that Qantas are sufficiently concerned about pilot supply to acknowledge it.

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Old 15th Mar 2019, 08:46
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It was a vain attempt to make pilots think they are an easy to produce commodity timed to coincide with contract negotiation. The shortage we were never going to have us happening.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 09:47
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
It was a vain attempt to make pilots think they are an easy to produce commodity timed to coincide with contract negotiation. The shortage we were never going to have us happening.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail.

Quite probably the last entity to feel the shortage will be Qantas 'mainline' itself.
Rest assured they know all about it here in Europe. The subsidiaries would be the likely benefactor of the 'college product' which wasn't really what the glossy brochure indicated...
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 07:39
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I can't agree that instructor availability need be a problem. Plenty of G1s about who are under-employed or semi-retired. Pay us what we're really worth, (well above award!), as experienced Grade 1's with all the training approvals, and there would be dozens who'd re-locate to Toowoomba or Bendigo. But that probably is beyond the horizon of the bean counters on the QF flying school project.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 08:28
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Originally Posted by poteroo View Post
I can't agree that instructor availability need be a problem. Plenty of G1s about who are under-employed or semi-retired. Pay us what we're really worth, (well above award!), as experienced Grade 1's with all the training approvals, and there would be dozens who'd re-locate to Toowoomba or Bendigo. But that probably is beyond the horizon of the bean counters on the QF flying school project.
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A market solution to a market shortage.
Precisely why they will not do it.

Recognising the shortage (albeit late) Little Napoleon and the herds of IR/HR are desperate to prove that there is no shortage.
The airline recruiting template was predicated on unlimited supply of qualified applicants, this paradigm existed for the last decades.
This 'school' is all about securing further unlimited supply of pilots.
The sweet irony is that the very thing they are fighting against (increasing terms and conditions, to induce more supply) demonstrates that the shortage is real!
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 00:19
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“Four months before the first *Qantas pilot academy is due to open at Toowoomba’s Wellcamp Airport, the training provider has pulled out of the project and building designs are still to be finalised and lodged with the local council.

The US-based L3 Commercial Training Solutions confirmed the split with Qantas, but would not divulge the reason.

A statement provided by L3 Commercial Training Solutions said “we have been unable to reach an agreement to move the project forward at this time, however, we wish Qantas all the best in their next steps to open a world-class facility”.

Under the original contract, L3 Commercial Training was expected to provide trainers and about 40 single and twin-engine aircraft to the academy, with a view to training 100 pilots in the first year and up to 250 in subsequent years.

Qantas is expected to announce a new training provider in coming weeks and said the academy remained on track for a mid-year opening.

Wellcamp Airport was announced the winner of a national competition for the training academy last year, due to the owners’ ability to deliver the facilities by July.

Toowoomba’s Wagner family famously built the airport in just 19 months, and is believed to have stumped up considerable funds for the $35 million project, along with the Queensland government.

This week, John Wagner said the academy was progressing to plan but he declined to comment on the question over the training provider.

The executive manager of the Qantas Group Pilot Academy Wes Nobelius said it had been “a busy couple of months for the academy team with detailed design work under way”.

Designs for all of the facilities including hangars, classroom and accommodation were expected to be lodged with Toowoomba *Regional Council in coming weeks.

But student accommodation would not be completed before the academy opened.

“Naturally it takes time to have facilities designed, approved and built so to make sure we can start training as soon as possible, we’re looking at temporary accommodation for the first intake of students mid-year,” Mr Nobelius said

Qantas is understood to have had strong interest from budding pilots and a scholarship program was being developed to help some students achieve their dream.

The airline is yet to announce the location of a second pilot training academy, with eight regional centres in the running including Bendigo, Launceston, Wagga Wagga, Busselton, Alice Springs, Mackay and Dubbo.

Tamworth was scratched from the race after announcing a deal with Virgin Australia. The rival carrier is yet to announce a training partner but is believed to be looking at several options including the Hainan Airlines, Southern Cross University and CAE.”
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