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Let me answer that in a round about way. VA will be doing line training for TT F/O’s on the 737. They are required to be inducted into VA, EP’s etc, sim, and then they can line train. On the same A/C, same routes, etc, etc. Does that answer your question?
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They are sitting below 60% ontime performance and double digit cancellations. This has been going on well before any industrial action was ramped up.
The board needs m to be questioned on its logic in planning to operate a entire fleet 15-20 year old 737s to schedule on 30 min turns from 6am-12am.
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I was thinking more along the lines of these ‘contingency’ plans involving borrowing VA pilots to avoid cancellations and get the operation up and running to schedule.
They are sitting below 60% ontime performance and double digit cancellations. This has been going on well before any industrial action was ramped up.
The board needs m to be questioned on its logic in planning to operate a entire fleet 15-20 year old 737s to schedule on 30 min turns from 6am-12am.
Several years ago when the A320's where finally making money the management at the time walked into the training office and said we are switching to an all B737 fleet and we plan to have everyone swapped over in 18 months, from that day onwards Tigers has been a clusterTruck!!
The 30 min turnaround is doable but you have to have everything going for you from good efficient ground support, a strong reliable fleet and a happy crew, all of those 3 requirements are often strained!
Virgin Independent Pissweak Association
VIPA president John Lyons told Workplace Express today that his members do not want to take protected action at this stage because the airline has "moved considerably" and they hope to complete negotiations soon, without the need for it.
"We fully endorse the action of the AFAP but our members have indicated that they would prefer to keep talking at the moment," Lyons said.
"We fully endorse the action of the AFAP but our members have indicated that they would prefer to keep talking at the moment," Lyons said.
Stupid and weak, you ‘fully endorse the action of the AFAP’ but your own actions directly betray and undermine the AFAP’s chances of getting a better deal for all tiger pilots. VIPA - Virgin Independent Pissweak Association.
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It’s a known thing that a company will avail its self of a gentle response from unions by stringing them along with a “genuine” desire to negotiate. Months or even years later, nothing has been achieved.....these are called delaying tactics. By the time this “genuine” desire to negotiate has been dragged out for a sufficiently long period, the pilots are well and truly suffering negotiation fatigue and the unions are starting to look at the cost of maintaining the fight.....they both fold.
When a union knows this is going to be the case but still allows the company to run them around till they tire, it suggests one of a few possibilities: 1. The union is incompetent, 2. They trust the company in question, 3) They have been offered an inducement.
VIPA speaking this way concerns me, and I doubt the AFAP are any different.
When a union knows this is going to be the case but still allows the company to run them around till they tire, it suggests one of a few possibilities: 1. The union is incompetent, 2. They trust the company in question, 3) They have been offered an inducement.
VIPA speaking this way concerns me, and I doubt the AFAP are any different.
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Stupid and weak, you ‘fully endorse the action of the AFAP’ but your own actions directly betray and undermine the AFAP’s chances of getting a better deal for all tiger pilots. VIPA - Virgin Independent Pissweak Association.
The Feds were so, as you put it, Pissweak, that pilots left the AFAP and VIPA was formed.
If the AFAP had represented their members properly in the first place, VIPA wouldn’t even be here!
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If you’d seen the pile of dog turd EBA that the AFAP recommended back in 2006, you’d understand why VIPA came into existence.
The Feds were so, as you put it, Pissweak, that pilots left the AFAP and VIPA was formed.
If the AFAP had represented their members properly in the first place, VIPA wouldn’t even be here!
1. You mean the Dog Turd that gives you 11/12Days off in a 28 day roster.
2. You mean the Dog Turd that has enshrined your Work Rules into the EBA, which mean CASA's absurd CAO 48.1 proposal and the insane work rules these contain won't affect you (are VIPA getting their members to conduct the CASA survey into 48.1 like the AFAP have done with all their members, or just giving out Jurlique creams?),
3. You mean the Dog Turd that is the foundation of what you have today and the Dog Turd that was discussed by APIA to QF Management (they'd love our work rules and Day Off protections instead of being on the Standard Industry Exemption (SIE)...…….do you know what that SIE "Dog Turd" looks like Bullwinkle?).
Its ok Bullwinkle, I know VIPA promised the world and delivered an Atlas...……..yet we all understand this will be the AFAP's fault to.
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I don’t want to further digress from the thread, suffice to say that there were some good things in that 2006 agreement (one that springs to mind was a solid roster balancing provision that was removed post No Vote, would have fixed the unbalanced rostering that occurs today) that went begging for not much change to the one that got voted up..........remind you of the NO Vote campaign in 2011 where nothing materially changed (if anything the consultation provisions were watered down) and we lost the backpay, and the compounded interest on those lost increases.........hey, let’s not let the truth get in the way of a good story!
Bullwinkle........maybe time to get involved instead of throwing rocks? You might then see that not is all what it seems.
All the best to the AFAP members at TT conducting PIA.
Bullwinkle........maybe time to get involved instead of throwing rocks? You might then see that not is all what it seems.
All the best to the AFAP members at TT conducting PIA.
320s making a profit would have nothing to do with routes been gifted by mainline wouldn’t it?
Heavy lifting in the group is done by.. VAA 737.
Would like to see the TT guys on the same conditions as VAA but suggestions that TT/XR etc were going great until Virgin turned up is fantasyland.
Heavy lifting in the group is done by.. VAA 737.
Would like to see the TT guys on the same conditions as VAA but suggestions that TT/XR etc were going great until Virgin turned up is fantasyland.
1. You mean the Dog Turd that gives you 11/12Days off in a 28 day roster.
Waaaaaah - 0nly 11 or 12 days off in a 28 day roster???!!! Trying getting sympathy from office workers, nurses, coppers, shop workers and everyone else who only get 2 days off per week, AND who aren't earning 200 grand a year. Dog turd my arse. Spoilt brats.
I'd duck due to the incoming now, but having been an airline pilot and lost 2 jobs, and then struggling to get a job for 40 grand a year, I know just how good I had it.
Waaaaaah - 0nly 11 or 12 days off in a 28 day roster???!!! Trying getting sympathy from office workers, nurses, coppers, shop workers and everyone else who only get 2 days off per week, AND who aren't earning 200 grand a year. Dog turd my arse. Spoilt brats.
I'd duck due to the incoming now, but having been an airline pilot and lost 2 jobs, and then struggling to get a job for 40 grand a year, I know just how good I had it.
The Dog Turd that only gives you 11 or 12 days off in a 28 day roster.
I'd duck due to the incoming now, but having been an airline pilot and lost 2 jobs, and then struggling to get a job for 40 grand a year, I know just how good I had it.[/QUOTE]
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Great rant Trev, but doesn't address the point. TT don't get 11/12. They would like to have it. I say good luck in their efforts. BTW, you're right, coppers don't get 11/12, but the 9 weeks annual leave a year they do get sure goes a long way to making up for it. I'm sorry you're in the position you seem to be, I wish you the best, but keep it relevant. It's an ambit claim. Like all the rest. I wish them luck..............
Sorry Porchy - was just directly quoting the guy who said "dog turd EBA that only gives 11 or 12 days off a month."
I take your point regarding coppers - that just leaves nurses, office workers etc etc
I take your point regarding coppers - that just leaves nurses, office workers etc etc
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Woops, my bad. I did misread and and missed the tongue in cheek.
Ref office workers vs pilots. Many many office workers did finance degrees, law degrees, or any other 5 year degree which could compare to pilot training. Sure, I'd love everyone to do well. Just saying that $200k plus and 12 days off a month is a pretty good deal.
Woops, my bad. I did misread and and missed the tongue in cheek.
Ref office workers vs pilots. Many many office workers did finance degrees, law degrees, or any other 5 year degree which could compare to pilot training. Sure, I'd love everyone to do well. Just saying that $200k plus and 12 days off a month is a pretty good deal.
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Ref office workers vs pilots. Many many office workers did finance degrees, law degrees, or any other 5 year degree which could compare to pilot training. Sure, I'd love everyone to do well. Just saying that $200k plus and 12 days off a month is a pretty good deal.
Most undergraduate degrees, are three years.
In the Australian context, the graduate will, according to your ATO in 5% of cases accumulate a debt of AUD$50,000.00
Given the cost of a candidate funded course with government assistance is circa $149,000, the 'graduate cadet' is indentured given lack of command hours, seat changes and upgrades are completely at the whim of the employer.
A more traditional route in Australia, via the local flying school sees the pilot expend a similar amount over perhaps a three or four year period, before finally going on to acquire the hours requisite for an application to a major.
The opportunity cost is considerable and the qualification a pilot has is not readily transferable, nor are there numerous airlines.
The industry has eaten its young. That there is dwindling supply is a combination of demographic and opportunity cost meaning not only are retirement rates increasing, there are less willing to join an industry where the pay off 'possibility' is low.
In the Australian context, the graduate will, according to your ATO in 5% of cases accumulate a debt of AUD$50,000.00
Any office worker who gets invited to a wedding on a Saturday next June knows they can go, pilots are controlled by the roster. There is a BIG slab of money right there. Six monthly sim check, medical, missing significant birthdays of family and friends and on it goes... Pilots get paid the MINIMUM that the company has to pay to fill the seat.
Best wishes to the Tiger guys and girls.