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Old 29th Jan 2019, 05:31
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Woops, my bad. I did misread and and missed the tongue in cheek.

Ref office workers vs pilots. Many many office workers did finance degrees, law degrees, or any other 5 year degree which could compare to pilot training. Sure, I'd love everyone to do well. Just saying that $200k plus and 12 days off a month is a pretty good deal.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 06:51
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Ref office workers vs pilots. Many many office workers did finance degrees, law degrees, or any other 5 year degree which could compare to pilot training. Sure, I'd love everyone to do well. Just saying that $200k plus and 12 days off a month is a pretty good deal.
Careful with the generalisation there Trevor.
Most undergraduate degrees, are three years.
In the Australian context, the graduate will, according to your ATO in 5% of cases accumulate a debt of AUD$50,000.00

Given the cost of a candidate funded course with government assistance is circa $149,000, the 'graduate cadet' is indentured given lack of command hours, seat changes and upgrades are completely at the whim of the employer.
A more traditional route in Australia, via the local flying school sees the pilot expend a similar amount over perhaps a three or four year period, before finally going on to acquire the hours requisite for an application to a major.
The opportunity cost is considerable and the qualification a pilot has is not readily transferable, nor are there numerous airlines.

The industry has eaten its young. That there is dwindling supply is a combination of demographic and opportunity cost meaning not only are retirement rates increasing, there are less willing to join an industry where the pay off 'possibility' is low.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 09:47
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In the Australian context, the graduate will, according to your ATO in 5% of cases accumulate a debt of AUD$50,000.00
What happens in the other 95% of cases?

Any office worker who gets invited to a wedding on a Saturday next June knows they can go, pilots are controlled by the roster. There is a BIG slab of money right there. Six monthly sim check, medical, missing significant birthdays of family and friends and on it goes... Pilots get paid the MINIMUM that the company has to pay to fill the seat.

Best wishes to the Tiger guys and girls.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 12:14
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
The industry has eaten its young. That there is dwindling supply is a combination of demographic and opportunity cost meaning not only are retirement rates increasing, there are less willing to join an industry where the pay off 'possibility' is low.
Not to mention the fact that the future prospects for Airline pilots look far from certain. Many young people are questioning how long it will be before the F/O at least goes the way of the Flight Engineer, Nav, Radio operator etc. thereby causing a massive surplus of pilots.

Within the next decade it looks increasingly likely we will see autonomous Taxiís and potentially Air taxiís. Once people can trust their carís and Air taxiís to drive themselves, how long before the ĎAirbusí goes the same way.

Ironically, the present shortage of pilots could not have come at a worse time from this perspective. A.I. wont need simulators, allowances, rest etc. Airlines, Regulators and public acceptance may be driven by NEED.

Good luck to the TT pilots.

Personally, I would like to know what VIPA, AFAP, AIPA and even IFALPA are doing to address the looming threat to ALL professional pilots..........
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 15:17
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I do think we as pilots are falling into the trap management sets and feeling we get paid too much.

My partner is a state employed nurse. Straight into a government job after 3 years of uni. By the time weekends and night shifts are factors in, they make as much as I do as a 73 FO.

Ontop of this, working sundays helps rack up the annual leave and theyíre pulling in about 8 weeks a year. And, after each shift, they go home. Next week Iíll leave home on Monday at 6am and get back Thursday at midnight. Then do it all over again 2 days later.

Maybe we should aim to bring ourselves up, rather than talk ourselves down?
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 06:42
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I do think we as pilots are falling into the trap management sets and feeling we get paid too much.

My partner is a state employed nurse. Straight into a government job after 3 years of uni. By the time weekends and night shifts are factors in, they make as much as I do as a 73 FO.

Ontop of this, working sundays helps rack up the annual leave and theyíre pulling in about 8 weeks a year. And, after each shift, they go home. Next week Iíll leave home on Monday at 6am and get back Thursday at midnight. Then do it all over again 2 days later.

Maybe we should aim to bring ourselves up, rather than talk ourselves down?
That you are welcome 2. Several nights away at a time is NOT a decent lifestyle, at least Tigers don't do that, but that is the only bonus, the rest is a joke!

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Old 31st Jan 2019, 07:31
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Here's an idea for all those pleading social equity in pay. If you dont like it, get out. I have a 3 Year Bachelor Degree and had a comfortable office job. I loathed it. I busted my a#rse and became a Pilot. No risk , no gain. I get pretty tired of hearing Public Servants bitching about their miserable lives. Go for it Tiger guys and gals. You're never going to get support from the general public anyway , so don't worry about it.

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Old 31st Jan 2019, 08:09
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Thumbs up

The glass is half full.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 23:03
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If you dont like it, get out.
Many are in fact getting out.
And very few are coming in.
No longer viewed as a decent career by anybody.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:07
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Whats the latest with the industrial action?
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 09:49
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Good luck to all at Tiger.
You have to fight to improve terms and conditions. Itís a worthy fight. Agree with others sentiments of talking up the profession. Itís a tough job with a huge entry cost. Early starts, late shifts, holidays And Christmas lost to work.
If you donít stand for something you will fall for anything.

Best Wishes.
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