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Old 21st Jan 2019, 05:23
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So the stop work is confirmed for this Friday morning?
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 05:44
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From nine.com.au



Pilots at Tigerair have announced they will take industrial action at airports across Australia to dispute a current pay agreement.

The strike will take place over a four-hour period between (5am-9am) on Friday, and involve pilots with membership to the Australian Federation of Air Pilots (AFAP).

“The decision to engage in a work stoppage was not made lightly,” Senior Industrial Officer James Lauchland said in an official statement this afternoon.

“Tigerair pilots fly the same aircraft as their counterparts at Jetstar, Virgin and Qantas but this is not reflected in their employment conditions.

“The current agreement is well below industry standards, both in terms of pay and conditions. Tigerair pilots are simply looking for a fair deal.

“Tigerair insists on finding savings in return for our claims for industry standard pay and conditions.”

About 75 per cent of Tigerair pilots are members of the AFAP.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 10:52
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Alliance to the rescue again I assume. Alliance laughing, Virgin bleeding.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 19:12
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Alliance to the rescue again I assume. Alliance laughing, Virgin bleeding
Do Alliance have the capacity to cover enough of Tiger's flying to soften the impact?

Aren't Virgin one of the players in this country responsible for the bad blood between pilots and their employers?

Airlines are victims of their own cleverness

And to think that there are still people here who believe the airlines hold all the cards, I think not.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 19:30
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Do Alliance have the capacity to cover enough of Tiger's flying to soften the impact?

Aren't Virgin one of the players in this country responsible for the bad blood between pilots and their employers?

Airlines are victims of their own cleverness

And to think that there are still people here who believe the airlines hold all the cards, I think not.
Cleverness??? VA is far from that!
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 07:18
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Two F100's parked down at MJB.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 03:44
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https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...250d9b4a62fa9e

I’m sure Merren’s got it all under control.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 22:44
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Is there any truth to the rumour that whilst the AFAP have been taking Industrial Action in the form of bans on working days off and the impending stop work tomorrow, that VIPA have ceased all forms of industrial action?

If that’s the case that is nothing short of a disgrace and needs to be called out as such.

Furthermore, that same rumour suggests that there are a handful of VIPA members who are actively working on their days off - which I suppose they are entitled to do. So much for solidarity.

If those rumours are true, then any further progress to the negotiations are because of the AFAP and their members fighting the good fight, despite the other ‘union’ (a term I use pretty loosely) in the room.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 01:38
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Mabye Merren should pick up and phone and give Tony Davis a call. Ask him what happened when he screwed around with his Tiger Singapore Pilots pay back in 2010. Half the captains walked, 40% of flights cancelled and had to pay skippers 300 grand to stay on. Screwed the company for years to come and he got the boot. Mabye she wants the boot too?
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:17
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So if all the VA group pilots were combined into one “pilot list” for “better bargaining muscle” why are the Tiger Crews doing this alone?
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 19:28
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Originally Posted by Pastor of Muppets View Post
So if all the VA group pilots were combined into one “pilot list” for “better bargaining muscle” why are the Tiger Crews doing this alone?
Because any other VA Group pilot taking any form of action (Secondary Boycott) could find themselves in a bit of strife for taking Unprotected (illegal) Industrial Action.

Guys and girls I speak to on the line are certainly supportive of TT pilots in what they are trying to achieve - they just can’t take any action, thanks to the Fair Work Act.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink View Post
Is there any truth to the rumour that whilst the AFAP have been taking Industrial Action in the form of bans on working days off and the impending stop work tomorrow, that VIPA have ceased all forms of industrial action?

If that’s the case that is nothing short of a disgrace and needs to be called out as such.

Furthermore, that same rumour suggests that there are a handful of VIPA members who are actively working on their days off - which I suppose they are entitled to do. So much for solidarity.

If those rumours are true, then any further progress to the negotiations are because of the AFAP and their members fighting the good fight, despite the other ‘union’ (a term I use pretty loosely) in the room.
Are you “Hearing” those rumours or “Starting” those rumours?
On the flip side, why has the AFAP been virtually silent whilst VIPA has been working tirelessly in an effort to make the VA board realise that John Thomas is the obvious choice for CEO. Not a word from the Feds.
And not to detract from the importance of fighting for the Tiger guys and girls but surely this is a much bigger issue to fight for, and yet there’s not a single word coming from the AFAP voicing their members concerns.
Although of course, that could just be a rumour!
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 22:28
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Originally Posted by The Bullwinkle View Post
On the flip side, why has the AFAP been virtually silent whilst VIPA has been working tirelessly in an effort to make the VA board realise that John Thomas is the obvious choice for CEO.
Because the Chairman removed him as she didn’t like him/never agreed with him/didn’t get along with him. She ain’t gonna re hire the fella she got rid off!

I just wouldn’t even bother wasting the time fighting it. You would need to remove the chairman for that to gain legs.




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Old 24th Jan 2019, 22:45
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Because the Chairman removed him as she didn’t like him/never agreed with him/didn’t get along with him. She ain’t gonna re hire the fella she got rid off!

I just wouldn’t even bother wasting the time fighting it. You would need to remove the chairman for that to gain legs.
And yet he’d be the safest choice for the Chairman as he’d be the only prospective CEO who’s legally obligated not to divulge what a mess the current CEO has made.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 23:18
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So the unions lobby to appoint CEOs now...Good luck with that one.

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 23:19
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink View Post
Is there any truth to the rumour that whilst the AFAP have been taking Industrial Action in the form of bans on working days off and the impending stop work tomorrow, that VIPA have ceased all forms of industrial action?

If that’s the case that is nothing short of a disgrace and needs to be called out as such.

Furthermore, that same rumour suggests that there are a handful of VIPA members who are actively working on their days off - which I suppose they are entitled to do. So much for solidarity.

If those rumours are true, then any further progress to the negotiations are because of the AFAP and their members fighting the good fight, despite the other ‘union’ (a term I use pretty loosely) in the room.
Indeed there are a few pilots working on their days off (obviously entitled to but results in very short term gain) but you could literally count those with one hand. I think out of 200 or so Pilot’s that shows pretty good solidarity!
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 23:59
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Originally Posted by WillieTheWimp View Post
So the unions lobby to appoint CEOs now...Good luck with that one.
No. Only one union does.
The other union says nothing.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 00:17
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Originally Posted by WillieTheWimp View Post
So the unions lobby to appoint CEOs now...Good luck with that one.

In many countries, unions and their members are recognised as key stakeholders in the management and corporate oversight of corporations. The Germans call it 'Codetermination'.
That unions are considered the enemy, serves management and their binary view of the world well.
It makes common sense for employees, particularly those with long term employment as a goal to be included in the decision making matrix.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 01:09
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As if the board are going to listen to a Union when choosing a CEO. If anything that would probably tell them who they won’t want to employ given all they want is economic rationalism.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 01:32
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As previously pointed out by others, the company board are NEVER going to appoint a CEO that the unions say. In particular it’s laughable even more to suggest they will appoint one that the same board approved to be fired.

As for the VA pilots supporting the tiger pilots, I think you will find they absolutely do and hope they can get all they can. From an industrial point of view they are a seperate company and covered under a seperate EBA, therefore under the FWA they are not allowed at all to participate.

Both unions (VIPA and AFAP) have to also apply separately for any industrial action. They can’t automatically just do something together. In fact the company can argue for joint action to be rejected and I believe that is infact their tactic here.
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