Perth to London
Second service to London from Perth? How boring and predictable.
Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin...anywhere else would have been better!
Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin...anywhere else would have been better!
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If that is true, I would guess the agreement (as has been alluded to) with Perth airports is for services to LHR, AKL and SIN, so they can operate as many as they like to those ports. A way of getting around Perth airport??
Even Emirates is far cheaper out of Paris to Australia than out of London -
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Pure speculation, building on others' rumours.
Qantas' Perth to London direct flight has been grounded at the 11th hour for the second time this month, with passengers asked to disembark after sitting on the plane for two hours.
The 17-hour flight, which departs Perth once a day, was scheduled to take off at 7.40pm on Wednesday evening.
WA member for Moore, Shane Love, who was booked on the flight, tweeted the journey was delayed because the crew was not provided with a flight plan.
"The captain has said he will not be able to fly in the 20 hours allowed and cancelled the flight!" he said.
Radio 6PR caller, Andy, said his wife, who was travelling back to Britain for urgent family reasons, had been caught up in the delay.
"They sat on the plane for two hours due to delays before they were told they would have to disembark," he said.
"They were given a taxi voucher to Metro Hotel.
"My wife is frustrated, she thought she'd be halfway to England by this morning."
A Qantas letter provided to passengers said the delay was due to a technical issue impacting the airline's ability to provide a flight plan.
"Despite the best efforts of staff, our technical crew have run out of allowable working hours under CASA regulations and they cannot operate this evening," it read.
"You'll now be leaving Perth tomorrow morning."
Andy said his wife had been rescheduled on a later direct flight departing at 11.15am on Thursday.
A Qantas spokeswoman said, despite the crew's best efforts, the delay in providing the flight plan - which was due to a technical issue not related to the aircraft - had a knock-on effect which meant the crew would exceed their allowable working hours.
"Passengers were provided with overnight accommodation, transport and meal vouchers," she said.
"There is no impact to today's regular scheduled Perth to London flight."
The delayed service comes a week after engineering issues cancelled the service on January 17 with passengers transferred to other flights within 24 hours.
The direct flight, which travels 14,498 kilometres, has been operating since March 2018 using the 787-9 Dreamliner.
Earlier in the week, Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce told Radio 6PR the new direct service to London had been a success for the airline and had generated $100 million in free publicity for WA.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/west...24-p50tcq.html
The 17-hour flight, which departs Perth once a day, was scheduled to take off at 7.40pm on Wednesday evening.
WA member for Moore, Shane Love, who was booked on the flight, tweeted the journey was delayed because the crew was not provided with a flight plan.
"The captain has said he will not be able to fly in the 20 hours allowed and cancelled the flight!" he said.
Radio 6PR caller, Andy, said his wife, who was travelling back to Britain for urgent family reasons, had been caught up in the delay.
"They sat on the plane for two hours due to delays before they were told they would have to disembark," he said.
"They were given a taxi voucher to Metro Hotel.
"My wife is frustrated, she thought she'd be halfway to England by this morning."
A Qantas letter provided to passengers said the delay was due to a technical issue impacting the airline's ability to provide a flight plan.
"Despite the best efforts of staff, our technical crew have run out of allowable working hours under CASA regulations and they cannot operate this evening," it read.
"You'll now be leaving Perth tomorrow morning."
Andy said his wife had been rescheduled on a later direct flight departing at 11.15am on Thursday.
A Qantas spokeswoman said, despite the crew's best efforts, the delay in providing the flight plan - which was due to a technical issue not related to the aircraft - had a knock-on effect which meant the crew would exceed their allowable working hours.
"Passengers were provided with overnight accommodation, transport and meal vouchers," she said.
"There is no impact to today's regular scheduled Perth to London flight."
The delayed service comes a week after engineering issues cancelled the service on January 17 with passengers transferred to other flights within 24 hours.
The direct flight, which travels 14,498 kilometres, has been operating since March 2018 using the 787-9 Dreamliner.
Earlier in the week, Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce told Radio 6PR the new direct service to London had been a success for the airline and had generated $100 million in free publicity for WA.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/west...24-p50tcq.html
and had generated $100 million in free publicity for WA.
So that FREE publicity cost $14 million. What a nice round number $100 million is. It was probably calculated by the same Q accountant that calculates the Jetstar profits.
What a game changer.
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I would guess that the problem is that Qantas is a Oneworld carrier, and that the most logical second destination would be a Oneworld hub in Europe that is a bit closer to PER than is LHR. This would allow the collection of PAX from a large number of origination/termination points -- and make the flying range a little less extreme than to LHR. But the only OW hub satisfying the second requirement is HEL -- which is not a terribly convenient gathering point for the bulk of EU traffic. So LHR is likely to be the choice for any second service.
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I would guess that the problem is that Qantas is a Oneworld carrier, and that the most logical second destination would be a Oneworld hub in Europe that is a bit closer to PER than is LHR. This would allow the collection of PAX from a large number of origination/termination points -- and make the flying range a little less extreme than to LHR. But the only OW hub satisfying the second requirement is HEL -- which is not a terribly convenient gathering point for the bulk of EU traffic. So LHR is likely to be the choice for any second service.
.......delayed because the crew was not provided with a flight plan.
Sounds like a weird explanation to me.
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London and Gatwick both forecast below Cat 1 visibility. Doubt they could carry the fuel.
Large headwinds so I’d guess they couldn’t get the duty below 20 hours either.
Gamechanging stuff.
Large headwinds so I’d guess they couldn’t get the duty below 20 hours either.
Gamechanging stuff.
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I'm hearing that the new flight planning system (constellation) takes quite a bit of time to run each version of the plan.
Pure and utter uncorroborated scuttlebutt (this is a rumour network) is the flight planners don't have good visibility into the "internals" of the plan in progress to see where it is trending to add manual tweaks. Basically it spits out a complete plan. If the plan isn't suitable for whatever reason (read reduced payload), the planners have to completely re-run the plan (about 30 min) with the tweaks to see what pops out. Wash rinse and repeat.
Pure and utter uncorroborated scuttlebutt (this is a rumour network) is the flight planners don't have good visibility into the "internals" of the plan in progress to see where it is trending to add manual tweaks. Basically it spits out a complete plan. If the plan isn't suitable for whatever reason (read reduced payload), the planners have to completely re-run the plan (about 30 min) with the tweaks to see what pops out. Wash rinse and repeat.
Bonuses all round then!