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Old 15th Jan 2019, 23:51
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
And at the MEL end?
Aren't they building a parallel east-west runway at YMML? When is that planned to be finished?
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 04:46
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Is MEL slot-constrained?
As far as I know, MEL does not have a slot system for Domestic Ops.
Thus, a 2018 Productivity Commission report found that:
Capacity on the current crossing runway system is being exceeded today, with scheduled flight cancellations and delays becoming increasingly frequent, and recovery from delays becoming more difficult to achieve.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 23:45
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Government should build all the new runways and take a minimum of 51% ownership of each airport,
the tax payer deserves their Airports to be efficient and should also share in the obscene profits .
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 21:06
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Nice one Comrade!

Governments can barely build roads these days.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 00:29
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin
Government should build all the new runways and take a minimum of 51% ownership of each airport,
the tax payer deserves their Airports to be efficient and should also share in the obscene profits .
Maybe you are to young to remember but we the people used to earn the airports until the Howard government sold them and then we the people got screwed as is usually the case when governments sell tax payer assets.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 01:05
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Going Boeing,
Lots of accusations there about JQ that without proof are just a load of crap.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 01:06
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You may need to do a little reading about which party decided to lease the FAC airports.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 01:29
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
Nice one Comrade!
The most perfect business you can own is a monopoly as you control price and supply and can vary either. To add the cherry to the top of this sundae, make it in an industry with high barriers to entry (massive costs) and you can sit there farming your profits as others cannot get into the business to steal your thunder. I am a capitalist at heart, but blind freddy should have known that selling airports, power companies etc was one of the worst decisions made.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 02:23
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Discussions of Syd-Mel and airport ownership. Do I detect a complete thread drift? I am sure there is another thread on Qantas fleet requirements. Can we get back to what a disaster this route is, with it’s poor passenger numbers and huge amounts of diversions/cancellations, or did everybody get bored when it turned out Qantas may have got something almost right for a change.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 05:56
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https://thewest.com.au/news/aviation...ng-b881077589z

QF9 cancelled - passengers stuck.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 06:19
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In October, Qantas said the flight was operating with a capacity of 92 per cent, on average, and 94 per cent in premium classes. The capacity is the highest of any of the airline’s international routes.
Probably because its their smallest long-haul plane.
Are these numbers accurate anyway?
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 08:33
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Load factor performance on a new route can be misleading depending on how many sale fares were released to stimulate the new route, and what periods of travel these fares existed for. If these numbers exclude deeply discounted fares, and they're pricing at a premium (due to the benefit of this route), then this is a good result considering there are a few options ex Perth to London, be it an extra stop for all pax excluding Perth pax.

It would be better to see the rASK performance on this market.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 11:08
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Load factor performance on a new route can be misleading depending on how many sale fares were released to stimulate the new route, and what periods of travel these fares existed for. If these numbers exclude deeply discounted fares, and they're pricing at a premium (due to the benefit of this route), then this is a good result considering there are a few options ex Perth to London, be it an extra stop for all pax excluding Perth pax.

It would be better to see the rASK performance on this market.
That is ordinarily true, but when was the last time you saw a sale fare on PER-LHR? Every time I've checked, there is a serious premium in all classes for this route. Qantas is on the public record that it is their single most profitable route, and performing well ahead of expectations. Unless you think they are blatantly lying (which would likely be a criminal offence, given it would be market-sensitive information), in this case I would say it is fairly safe to say that this route has excellent RASK and profitability.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 15:26
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Risk you take on any flight that only has a single flight a day - I've been impressed by how FEW problems they've had TBH
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 19:02
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One question that almost can’t be answered here with any accuracy, is how many east coast FF are ‘forced’ to use points to get to Europe via PER. It suits Qf to make those seats bought with points to be as expensive as possible.

I think PER-LHR is a fantastic service, but as an additional service to Europe, not a seat reducing replacement...
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 22:33
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That is ordinarily true, but when was the last time you saw a sale fare on PER-LHR? Every time I've checked, there is a serious premium in all classes for this route. Qantas is on the public record that it is their single most profitable route, and performing well ahead of expectations. Unless you think they are blatantly lying (which would likely be a criminal offence, given it would be market-sensitive information), in this case I would say it is fairly safe to say that this route has excellent RASK and profitability.
If that is the case re fare picing then this is a great outcome for Qantas (I have not done any fare comparisons). The other part to it is also that people will try it to see if it is a better way to travel over current routings, so I think there would be a percetange of RPK's that simply wanted to get to London faster which is really a misnomer at the end of the day - it is still one stop to London for the majority (only PER consumers benefiting) - it just happens to be in Australia. End of the day - some will love it and some will loath it. For me - I could not stand sitting onboard for that long. I've done DFW twice - once in J and once in P - and I still hated it. I don't know how others can do it in Y. I just could not do that long. But that is me.

We'll see how it continues over the coming cycles.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 02:25
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Have to apologise, it’s not Perth to Paris but a second Perth to London service. Mid year start I believe.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 04:05
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DM - do QF have a third LHR slot assuming QF1/2 is continuing ?
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 04:09
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it is still one stop to London for the majority
Nope, the majority of passengers are to/from Perth. The stats show approximately 70% of available seats are filled by passengers flying to/from PER. So for most of the customers it is very much non-stop.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 04:12
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QF have 4 slot pairs at LHR. I think at one point there were 5 but I’m not sure if this is still the case.
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