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These figures don’t include pax on a Melbourne to London ticket. Load factors improve significantly (into the 90s) when included.
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On one hand we have Rated De and others carrying on about a new fleet and lamenting AJ’s apparently never ending incompetence, and on the other we have brand new B787s operating on a brand new and operationally challenging route with consistent load factors over 90%.
45 econ seats blocked because it’s hot in Perth this week? Whatever. Keep it up!
45 econ seats blocked because it’s hot in Perth this week? Whatever. Keep it up!
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Thank you CT, the BITRE figures are also indicative that the aircraft is payload constrained ex YPPH.
That the under floor cargo capacity and (indeed in some cases as suggested by other posters) seats are blocked off highlight just how marginal it is.
A well structured fleet plan, financed and executed never sees aircraft needing to operate well beyond the design sweet spot.
That the aircraft seems to not carry much freight westbound shows this route to be very limiting. Indeed the BITRE panel data supports a substantial decline in freight tonnage YOY. This ought largely be the change in aircraft type as the schedule is almost identical.
That the aircraft needs to block out seats, not for freight but literally to reduce weight and maximise fuel uplift indicates that the route is a long way beyond optimum.
If the LF inclusive of the YMML passenger are into the 'high 90's' then blocking out those seats when the 'environmental variables' come into the mix is another inference that the route is beyond the aircraft.
It may be worth 'having a go', but with the caveat that if the 'environmental variables' impact upon the operation sufficiently, the customers will, as they demonstrated when Little Napoleon spent $100m moving the hub to Dubai, only to spend another $60 million moving it back, continue to opt for a short transit through Singapore. Marketing aside, the customer has a choice from Melbourne, either stop in Singapore after their flight from Melbourne and then fly to Heathrow. Or stop in Perth, then spend longer on the second leg.
As Cathay, Singapore and most of the other airlines flying through Asia to Europe found when Little Napoleon abandoned Asia, passengers will vote with their feet.
Let us see how the Northern winter develops, as Qantas will no doubt completely inform the travelling public if the schedule integrity is found wanting.
That the under floor cargo capacity and (indeed in some cases as suggested by other posters) seats are blocked off highlight just how marginal it is.
A well structured fleet plan, financed and executed never sees aircraft needing to operate well beyond the design sweet spot.
- As dragon man highlighted the 737 east to Bali is another example where a type is operated well beyond optimum.
That the aircraft seems to not carry much freight westbound shows this route to be very limiting. Indeed the BITRE panel data supports a substantial decline in freight tonnage YOY. This ought largely be the change in aircraft type as the schedule is almost identical.
That the aircraft needs to block out seats, not for freight but literally to reduce weight and maximise fuel uplift indicates that the route is a long way beyond optimum.
These figures don’t include pax on a Melbourne to London ticket. Load factors improve significantly (into the 90s) when included.
It may be worth 'having a go', but with the caveat that if the 'environmental variables' impact upon the operation sufficiently, the customers will, as they demonstrated when Little Napoleon spent $100m moving the hub to Dubai, only to spend another $60 million moving it back, continue to opt for a short transit through Singapore. Marketing aside, the customer has a choice from Melbourne, either stop in Singapore after their flight from Melbourne and then fly to Heathrow. Or stop in Perth, then spend longer on the second leg.
As Cathay, Singapore and most of the other airlines flying through Asia to Europe found when Little Napoleon abandoned Asia, passengers will vote with their feet.
Let us see how the Northern winter develops, as Qantas will no doubt completely inform the travelling public if the schedule integrity is found wanting.
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On one hand we have Rated De and others carrying on about a new fleet and lamenting AJ’s apparently never ending incompetence, and on the other we have brand new B787s operating on a brand new and operationally challenging route with consistent load factors over 90%.
45 econ seats blocked because it’s hot in Perth this week? Whatever. Keep it up!
45 econ seats blocked because it’s hot in Perth this week? Whatever. Keep it up!
When y’all start an airline, you can buy whatever aircraft you want and put them on whatever routes you want and read what a bunch of halfwit-know-it-alls (I’m including myself in that) on the Internet think of the way you do business. ohnohedidnt
We also have the 380 operating on Dallas to Sydney with a huge number of economy seats blocked out. Right aircraft , right route? Yea sure?
I should have added as well that the route planning guru they employed has been sacked. Don’t toe the line you are shown the door.
Maybe mention should be made also of how having abandoned the hub in Singapore but now having a suitable aircraft (the 787) Qantas could actually operate the 787 from this hub having originated in Perth and Brisbane thru to maybe Frankfurt, Rome and or Paris instead of giving those customers to Emerates. IMO this would be right aircraft , right route.
Maybe mention should be made also of how having abandoned the hub in Singapore but now having a suitable aircraft (the 787) Qantas could actually operate the 787 from this hub having originated in Perth and Brisbane thru to maybe Frankfurt, Rome and or Paris instead of giving those customers to Emirates.
Emphasis on THE aircraft. Singular - Well put, and in accordance with Napolean's world domination plans of shrinking to greatness. A bigger man might dream of a fleet maybe as large as two, but our big man is happy with a suitably diminutive fleet.
I suspect those customers are long gone. Sold for twenty pieces of silver
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Maybe mention should be made also of how having abandoned the hub in Singapore but now having a suitable aircraft (the 787) Qantas could actually operate the 787 from this hub having originated in Perth and Brisbane thru to maybe Frankfurt, Rome and or Paris instead of giving those customers to Emerates. IMO this would be right aircraft , right route.
As a result at execution QF experienced a substantial decline in passenger numbers and thus revenues, this is historic record. The result a hastily convened DXB 'alliance' and Dubai hub. The cost of $100 million borne by shareholders, who also financed the return to Singapore. The hub, now abandoned and the lack of growth in revenues indicative that despite their best effort, they needed to do something else. Their remaining customers had said so since it was announced.
That they are having a go is admirable, however that the aircraft is stretched and any impact of an environmental variable curtails the service reliability is indicative that this is the case.. Perhaps a reason why other airlines are not employing the aircraft on such a 'hail Mary' stage length.
That the aircraft was ordered by Mr Dixon in 2006 is testament to a decade of mismanagement where aircraft operating routes that are beyond their optimum is seen as 'growth'.
Aircraft and route planning is detailed and a necessarily complex process. This aircraft may be many things, but given the impact, environment (whether it be runway limits, temperature, crew duty limits, crosswind limits or fuel) has, it is reasonable to infer it was not designed to do what they are trying to get it to do, It is perhaps a glimpse into QF mindset that aircraft selection and route planning has been neglected for an extended period of time, roughly at least coincident with Little Napoleon's tenure.
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Qantas Airlines indeed has only 8 B787s operating, but with a further 6 coming. It’s probable more will follow, in addition to Sunrise. There are also still 8 A380s on order, to be converted to <insert type here>. None were converted to A320s, with a separate order for 99 of which only 18 A321neoLRs have been committed to Jetstar Australia.
‘Narratives’ are spun on all sides Rated De.
If the LF inclusive of the YMML passenger are into the 'high 90's' then blocking out those seats when the 'environmental variables' come into the mix is another inference that the route is beyond the aircraft.
True, the yield premium is there only if there is schedule integrity, but if you are asking 20 or so (no, not 45, they aren’t flying 100% full), lower yielding economy pax to head to London via Singapore to ensure this, I hardly see the drama.
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Aircraft and route planning is detailed and a necessarily complex process.
Replaced by young Management/Marketing wiz kids, straight out of uni and who know nothing about aviation!
God help us!
Furthermore, any pax you suppress are the low (or zero) revenue ones. The staff, the frequent flyer redemptions, the ID90s, the PR handouts, etc.
Now since that does not happen and we see the rise of budget carriers - seems low revenue paxs actually make airlines money!
The staff if you read and in particular pilots get upset without confirmed tickets for them and family - any bumping will make them take the better offers.
Frequent Flyer redemption have actually paid more than the fare would have cost in cash - if they are not "Rewarded" with the "Fly Buys" they will jump ship. (Qantas and woolies change made Coles very happy.
ID 90 hurts some employees (that then look at options for better places to work) or some ex staff.
Now bumping a "PR" hand out - I assume you mean a "Public Relations" hand out ticket. Only a fool would do that!
Who said bumping ? You don't offer the freebie reservations on the critical flights in the first place.
Economy class assessed in terms of revenue dollars per cabin square meterage taken comes a lot closer to that in F/C than commonly supposed. I believe Premium Economy can sometimes exceed the others on this basis.
Economy class assessed in terms of revenue dollars per cabin square meterage taken comes a lot closer to that in F/C than commonly supposed. I believe Premium Economy can sometimes exceed the others on this basis.
Who said bumping ? You don't offer the freebie reservations on the critical flights in the first place.
Economy class assessed in terms of revenue dollars per cabin square meterage taken comes a lot closer to that in F/C than commonly supposed. I believe Premium Economy can sometimes exceed the others on this basis.
Economy class assessed in terms of revenue dollars per cabin square meterage taken comes a lot closer to that in F/C than commonly supposed. I believe Premium Economy can sometimes exceed the others on this basis.
So you agree pissing of staff and some ID90's (often not economy pax anyway) will not be a very smart move for staff retention and moral?