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Old 20th Aug 2018, 01:39
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Its a bit hard to understand what they are saying, but it sounds like "despite funneling people from Melbourne, onto this route, they still can't get to 80% capacity"

I don't believe 78% of the passengers from London are finishing their journey at Perth.

Which would indicate people from Melbourne are taking alternative route/airlines to go to/from London.
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 01:56
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I don't believe 78% of the passengers from London are finishing their journey at Perth
They aren’t necessarily. Many may be choosing a few days stopover before continuing East (or home in the other direction), perhaps others continue elsewhere by road or on Skippers/Rex...

Again, access to Staff travel and/or EFF will show you that the load factors in/out of Perth are very good.

I have heard that even management were surprised at Perth/London/Perth itself providing much of that load, but there it is.
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 02:15
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Yeah it's being pushed as ''the way" for sales. My folks go to europe all the time and have it pushed to them but they decline.
that said, it makes a lot of sense as a route itself given the small aeroplane/niche route, that's what the jet was made for.
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 03:08
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot
...the load factors in/out of Perth are very good.
Indeed. Did both directions in the past few days and carried 88% both ways. The day behind me southbound was 101% (not an empty seat and several infants). But we shouldn't let truth get in the way of a good story.
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 04:11
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If you are a MEL passenger and in particular a premium passenger I know they are pushing MEL-PER-LHR as the only QF metal option.
You can go via A380 to SIN but a 7 hour wait doesn’t work for the majority. Some first passengers that will pay anything and want P class are even going via SYD but only the die hard QF lovers. The rest go EK.
For J pax most save the 7 hour wait and have no choice now.
By removing a 500 seat aircraft and going to a 236 seater you don’t need to be a genuis to work out they are going to fill the replacement from both MEL/PER to LHR.
But cut capacity by that much to LHR and showing that your now filling one route sure is genius.
If you had an option to go SIN or PER to LHR from MEL and it was still full from PER then I would truly pronounce the game changed.



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Old 20th Aug 2018, 04:39
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There is the qf37 if you want to go via Singapore. That would be a 90 minute transit. I’m not sure it goes every day though. But I take your point about First.

edit: it does go daily
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 10:48
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Not a 380 and no P
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 12:25
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By removing a 500 seat aircraft and going to a 236 seater you don’t need to be a genuis to work out they are going to fill the replacement from both MEL/PER to LHR
I think the point of this last bit of discussion is that QF are taking what is more than likely a profitable load factor (75%+, with break even normally equating to 60-65%), out of and into Perth, with Melbourne just making up the numbers (which get it to the 80s and 90s). Given this, Melbourne pax DO seem to largely be flying another way. Either QF through SIN or other Airlines. (Also, Was the 500 seater always full/profitable, if not, then what?).

QF could probably have another machine running Melboure - Singas- London and still do ok with all of them. It certainly looks as though they could use the extra capacity. I’d wonder how much is being lost not providing this. Project Sunrise is a long way off coming to fruition yet, might it be wise to corner a bigger slice of the Melbourne market in the mean time?
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 13:41
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Originally Posted by maggot
Not a 380 and no P
It’s always chockers when operated it though. Normally 60-70 connectors to the QF1.
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 22:18
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It’s always chockers when operated it though. Normally 60-70 connectors to the QF1.
Yeah was empty prior to the change... Long assed flight for that time of day
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 08:16
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Qantas now reporting this service as their most profitable route.

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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 08:50
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Really? I read that it was the highest rated by passengers but I didn’t see mention of it being the most profitable.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 09:56
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It was mentioned in the Q&A segment of today’s results presentation that load factor on Perth London was over 90%.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 14:17
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Have done the QF9 MEL - PER domestic sector twice now. The economy seats are extremely uncomfortable. No way could I sit in one for 17 hours.. Four hours was enough.
Just did 5 hours SIA Singapore - Perth , economy in the 787. Totally different comfort factor. Easy on the backside.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 23:42
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Qantas management must be pretty happy with the results of their latest foray into ULH - AvWeek says they are looking expanding their ULH fleet with either 777-8X or a long range version of the A350.
Qantas Says OEMs Can Meet Ultra-Long-Range Requirement Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
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Will all the ULH be foreign crewed from now on? Good way to boost the profits.
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 10:02
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Originally Posted by RickNRoll
Will all the ULH be foreign crewed from now on? Good way to boost the profits.
You mean cabin crew? Probably.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 14:45
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I did this trip to London and back recently. It was full both ways. It was pretty uncomfortable in zoo class, stuck in a middle seat, but still better than going through Dubai and their wretched security (having a metal hip this makes a big difference).

Preferable to Emirates particularly in the quality of the food and not having to sit trapped, often for about an hour, behind a mountain of plastic wrappers getting horribly dehydrated because EK only serve water and juice in tiny containers and nobody can get out of their seats. Is this deliberate? (Thanks you QF for the water bottle provided) . The entertainment choices were great and I had no jet lag at all.

The only complaint was arriving at LHR at 5am and having at least three plane loads of travellers being dealt with by just ONE immigration officer for non EU passports, (no E gate for non EU people) I was in that queue for about 1.5 hours and I was near the front. So not a great time of day to arrive, Heathrow need to get their act together there.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 21:16
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Fatguyinacoat,

If you call someone out you have to have to give a reason. You cant just rant that someone is full of it.

This just makes you look like a troll
Maybe you're right pilotchute. If someone comes here to postulate how clever they are, it's best to read your evidence first.
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Postulate is a big word for you.
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