Perth to London
Qantas have done their homework on this route. More than that, there’s a genuine desire to make it work among the crews that fly it. There’s a real buzz around the 787 operation I’ve never seen before. A pride, if you like, of proving what a determined company and crew with a capable aircraft can achieve if given the chance.
Slightly off topic but can anyone point to any operation from which Qantas has had to withdraw because it 'wouldn't work' for operational reasons? Over the decades Qantas' operational planning has been second to none, frequently proving the critics wrong.
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Once at 10,000 they would accelerate to around 300KIAS at a guess.
0450 BA032
0505 QF009
0505 BA016
0505 IB4750
0525 BA034
0525 IB4625
0525 BA074
0530 BA023
0530 US207
0530 AA6446
0530 BA056
0530 IB4727
These are the first listed and stopping
0505 QF009
0505 BA016
0505 IB4750
0525 BA034
0525 IB4625
0525 BA074
0530 BA023
0530 US207
0530 AA6446
0530 BA056
0530 IB4727
These are the first listed and stopping
Heathrow arrivals
That list [early morning arrivals at London Heathrow) has much duplication/triplication of flights due to code shares.
Simplistically, Heathrow has about 13 arrivals each morning between 0430 and 0600 Local. It's "about" because the limit is for overall night flights, per season, but that's how it works out each day. BA have about 50%. Qantas have had one for years, they are all grandfather rights. Anything else has to hold untl 0600, but QF has one of the slots. But for pre-0600 allowed arrivals, holding would not happen unless there is some issue developed on the ground. Of Heathrow's two runways, only one is used pre-0600 on a rota basis (both are used from 0600 to 0700 for arrivals), but if there is a hangup on one things are immediately switched to the other.
Where an issue might arise would be unfavourable winds or routing, plus maybe a late departure from Perth, leading to them not arriving in the Terminal Area until just after 0600, when all the holds are quite often full and there is secondary holding further out as well. Of course, you then still always have to allow for an incident to a prior aircraft which ties up the ARFF services and closes the airport.
Simplistically, Heathrow has about 13 arrivals each morning between 0430 and 0600 Local. It's "about" because the limit is for overall night flights, per season, but that's how it works out each day. BA have about 50%. Qantas have had one for years, they are all grandfather rights. Anything else has to hold untl 0600, but QF has one of the slots. But for pre-0600 allowed arrivals, holding would not happen unless there is some issue developed on the ground. Of Heathrow's two runways, only one is used pre-0600 on a rota basis (both are used from 0600 to 0700 for arrivals), but if there is a hangup on one things are immediately switched to the other.
Where an issue might arise would be unfavourable winds or routing, plus maybe a late departure from Perth, leading to them not arriving in the Terminal Area until just after 0600, when all the holds are quite often full and there is secondary holding further out as well. Of course, you then still always have to allow for an incident to a prior aircraft which ties up the ARFF services and closes the airport.
Where now are the naysayers?
Slightly off topic but can anyone point to any operation from which Qantas has had to withdraw because it 'wouldn't work' for operational reasons? Over the decades Qantas' operational planning has been second to none, frequently proving the critics wrong.
Slightly off topic but can anyone point to any operation from which Qantas has had to withdraw because it 'wouldn't work' for operational reasons? Over the decades Qantas' operational planning has been second to none, frequently proving the critics wrong.
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Off thread, but Jesus this site has become hard to use now. Jumps all over the place. Threads load with different "themes". Replies appear in the thread while still appearing in n the quick reply box, pages load, then disappear, then appear again only half loaded. Obviously coded by someone who doesn't actually use a forum.
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Edit:while trying to edit this post, I have had it appear simultaneously in 3 different windows, had to use the back button twice as I have been redirected to advertisers sites without actually clicking on anything, had it freeze while interminably "loading more posts", close the page and relog in again, and finally have had to resort to using the mobile version to get any sense out of it. Thanks for the upgrade!
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^^^^^^^^
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Travellers Letters
Punters starting to find that a 787 for 16 hours in economy isn't the greatest....
Punters starting to find that a 787 for 16 hours in economy isn't the greatest....
I recently travelled long-haul economy, two sectors in an Airbus A330 and two in the much vaunted Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
What a contrast. The A330, with eight across seating felt as spacious as economy class can be, with decent leg room and seat width. The B787 (with nine seats across) was a more of a nightmare than a dream.
Space was so tight that making even the slightest move encroached on the personal space of one's neighbour. The cabins of the two aircraft are almost the same width.
So is the B787's lower cost per seat mile really due to the innovative use of new technology, or more crudely to simply squeezing more hapless passengers into the same space?
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What a contrast. The A330, with eight across seating felt as spacious as economy class can be, with decent leg room and seat width. The B787 (with nine seats across) was a more of a nightmare than a dream.
Space was so tight that making even the slightest move encroached on the personal space of one's neighbour. The cabins of the two aircraft are almost the same width.
So is the B787's lower cost per seat mile really due to the innovative use of new technology, or more crudely to simply squeezing more hapless passengers into the same space?
Read more: Traveller letters: Which is better, Airbus A330 or Boeing 787?
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A330 Cabin width 204 inch
B787 cabin width 218 inch.
Toot toot!!
B787 cabin width 218 inch.
Toot toot!!
My neighbour recently flew on the 9/10. He has no affiliation one way or the other with any airline, but he is a full fare business/first passenger. His review...never again. It was on time, and worked operationally, but he hated it. A sample of one, I know...
I doubt the demographic which can afford to fly First (ie people who would usually fly EK/SQ anyway) is QFs primary concern for the Perth operation.
I disagree Maggie. I reckon that's exactly the market QF is chasing these days. It's a yield driven airline now, not RPKs. Smaller aeroplanes, longer legs means you'd better be making up for the reduced numbers in yield. QF15/16 out of Brisbane to LA and on to NY is a case in point. Currently full aeroplanes in both directions, about to lose 130 odd seats on that service come September, there would want to be a yield premium in it.
LAX - JFK is dropping capacity, but BNE - LAX is being supplemented by the QF55/56, a 744 3xweekly until December and a 787 4x weekly after that.
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...eptember-2018/
https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...eptember-2018/
A shame to lose the 747 - my favourite seats are 3A and 3B, with that lovely roomy feel that the pointy end has. Able to see out the windows on the other side, only 12 pax in the section. The ride NY-LA- BN is quite enjoyable in there.
The 330 business section is comfortable but feels a bit jammed in.
The 330 business section is comfortable but feels a bit jammed in.