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If you knew anything about the 777 you would realise the first generation of -300s were only good for about 7 hours , so not very useable on QF routes , by the time the new models came out QF had already the A330s.
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Sources suggest in the absence of any new aircraft, having 'game changed' the way to Europe on the 600th 787, Qantas IR have been quietly briefing certain 'friendly' (probably on the delivery flight of the first 787 for Qantas) media on a pending stoush with the pesky pilots.
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The 300 ER came out about five years before the 380 entered service, so would have fitted into QF's requirements on the Pacific. As I recall, the 330 was purchased cheaply and was required by Airbus because they didn't want initial ratings on the whale without previous AB experience.
At this point the 777 had been flying for six years at various long haul airlines. Boeing offered the 300ER two years before the A330 arrived at Qantas, and it was flying in service two years after Qantas received its ‘game changing’ A330.
Muppet.
What we all forget is the Qantas mantra, right aircraft for the right route. You see the worlds best airline Singapore Airlines has just put a brand new 787-10 on Singapore Perth but we in Qantas no this is not correct , it’s only suitable for a 737-800. Idiots.
I think his point must be that if SQ can operate a new 787 profitability on that route then their load factors must be > 75%. Hence, right aircraft for the route.
When passengers have a choice they tend to eschew smaller aircraft.
When passengers have a choice they tend to eschew smaller aircraft.
Well maybe. But SQ also hubs through Singapore so they have far more transfer pax with which to fill an aircraft than Qantas could ever hope to have (even during their heyday). It's not really a fair comparison. Of course SQ can have 4 widebodies a day when they are carrying people to destinations all over Asia and Europe thereafter.
Oh sure, through traffic is a big deal. Once Qantas embraces its back-to-the-future more fully there will be similar traffic for us. Currently the LHR bound 380 is full both ways through SIN. Don't forget QF connects in SIN to its own extensive JetStar services. (sarcasm)
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Go back 10 years we (QF) had 2 services (A330) a day running Per-Sin-Per plus an A330 doing Adl-Sin-Adl, an A330 on the Bne-Sin-Bne and the A380s out of Syd and Mel through Sin to Lhr, plus the 747-400 doing Sin-Fra or Sin to Cdg. If the timings were just right you would sit in your cockpit doing a preflight and be surrounded by 6 or 7 redtails; But that was back when QF was an airline rather than the management money making machine it has become today!!!
Go back 10 years we (QF) had 2 services (A330) a day running Per-Sin-Per plus an A330 doing Adl-Sin-Adl, an A330 on the Bne-Sin-Bne and the A380s out of Syd and Mel through Sin to Lhr, plus the 747-400 doing Sin-Fra or Sin to Cdg. If the timings were just right you would sit in your cockpit doing a preflight and be surrounded by 6 or 7 redtails; But that was back when QF was an airline rather than the management money making machine it has become today!!!
Chuboy
Go back 10 years we (QF) had 2 services (A330) a day running Per-Sin-Per plus an A330 doing Adl-Sin-Adl, an A330 on the Bne-Sin-Bne and the A380s out of Syd and Mel through Sin to Lhr, plus the 747-400 doing Sin-Fra or Sin to Cdg. If the timings were just right you would sit in your cockpit doing a preflight and be surrounded by 6 or 7 redtails; But that was back when QF was an airline rather than the management money making machine it has become today!!!
Go back 10 years we (QF) had 2 services (A330) a day running Per-Sin-Per plus an A330 doing Adl-Sin-Adl, an A330 on the Bne-Sin-Bne and the A380s out of Syd and Mel through Sin to Lhr, plus the 747-400 doing Sin-Fra or Sin to Cdg. If the timings were just right you would sit in your cockpit doing a preflight and be surrounded by 6 or 7 redtails; But that was back when QF was an airline rather than the management money making machine it has become today!!!
No one will order a 747 in passenger configuration going forward for the reasons given by Rated
Only 47 -8I bought so far and no order for 18 months+
The big twins will get more economic not less and the 747 will be only built as a freighter - but it's had a 45 year run so not to shabby really
Only 47 -8I bought so far and no order for 18 months+
The big twins will get more economic not less and the 747 will be only built as a freighter - but it's had a 45 year run so not to shabby really
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As much as it pains me to admit it, HH is right. Scuttlebutt is that Boeing isn't even offering the 747-8i any more (although if someone and wanted to buy a dozen I'm sure they'd figure out a way to oblige). Boeing is still optimistic that the 747-8F has a strong future as the freight market improves, but I fear we've already seen the last new passenger 747.
Was on a TG 744 recently and reinforced my opinion.
Not quite so. Qantas used to have a significant real hub at Singapore. In fact, in some old UK CAA figures, at one time they were surprisingly boarding more pax at Singapore for London, on just point-to-point (not through from Oz), than British Airways were; Singapore AL were top, but BA were pushed down into third place.
In the day, Qantas had more presence at Changi than any other foreign operator. I often wonder where it went wrong. Did the genii in the "Public Service" in Canberra cede too much to the ME3? I suggest that the benefits they bring to Australia are illusory.
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In the day, Qantas had more presence at Changi than any other foreign operator. I often wonder where it went wrong. Did the genii in the "Public Service" in Canberra cede too much to the ME3? I suggest that the benefits they bring to Australia are illusory.
Government data (on passenger numbers ex Australia) shows a very abrupt decline when Qantas exited Singapore. To understand what the airlines flying through Hong Kong, Thailand and Singapore thought of Qantas' "advance to the rear" abandoning Asia, have a look at the additional services they put only following April 1.
Is it likely that due real hard crew limits, the Perth London is beyond the reach to be a sustainable reliable service?
In that event, should a London winter kill the schedule integrity, expect the Melbourne, Perth to London service to quietly go through Singapore and the service be scaled back to non-existent.
Staggering the loss of patronage, Operating Revenue and footprint Qantas surrendered for little Napoleon's five year random walk through Dubai.
I wouldn’t say loss of patronage. Having looked at loads out of Singapore most flights are pretty full as are those out of Perth. Chatting to several different customers on way up to London and most were upset they couldn’t get on the 9/10 out of/to Perth. They see the one stop on the West Coast as a great advance, which to be honest surprised me but they are the paying public not the Pprune experts.