Perth to London
Nunc est bibendum
Lisa Norman, Jeff Foote, Dave Summergreene, Troy Lane. Info was posted on a Daily Tele article. Behind a paywall but I think I read it via Facebook?
Captain Lisa Norman as PIC
Nunc est bibendum
I suspect the route flown will actually be longer than Doha- AKL due to the air routes over the ME/ Europe that QF must fly. Doha- AKL is mostly great circle direct tracking with a bit of weather pattern contour flying thrown in.
Here is the link to the Daily Tele article. May need to google it to get by the paywall.
Here is the link to the Daily Tele article. May need to google it to get by the paywall.
. I sincerely hope for the future of our newest recruits that this route and the opportunities it may open up will be a reason for the board to approve more of these desperately needed aircraft and more routes.
I’m no fan of the current management, but it’s great to see something new and exciting being attempted. That being the case, why not get a bit of a publicity ‘rub’ out of the old genie lamp? If successful, it should lead to other new developments and growth (we hope). That’s one of the big ticket items we all want to see, a growing company that’s popular with the Public again. It would be in many of our best interest for this to succeed.
Good luck to the crew. May you prove the doubters wrong.
Good luck to the crew. May you prove the doubters wrong.
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That’s the Australian way though. Look in the media it’s “worlds best this worlds best that”.
The aircraft has already 'changed the game' with LN 615 representing Qantas' (not JQ) first.
With advertising spend from Qantas reducing the red ink in the print media, do not be surprised that this is pumped as was the delivery.. Advertising buys a lot of 'reporting'
Those that may actually be interested in the reason for it (Perth London) is that the 'game changing' or was it 'world changing' alliance signed with EK contained the provision that all Qantas aircraft operating to Europe would hub through Dubai.
Fortunately Mr Joyce never got his 10 year alliance, and had to settle for five, otherwise Perth London was the only way a Qantas passenger could avoid the UAE.
If one wants to look at the stroke of genius that Mr Joyce signed:
- Qantas Operating revenue did not change at all during the five year alliance from 1 April 2013 (in real terms it declined)
- A continued loss of patronage from Qantas flights.
Mr Joyce was always careful to avoid any mention of purported financial benefit from the alliance as there was ZERO (at least for Qantas)
There has been plenty of division in the upper levels of QF management on the EK alliance, sadly whilst Mr Joyce held the big seat, and the alliance as signed persisted, there was little they could do.
This is the reason why the 787 is a bit stretched doing the route; it was the only way out of the restrictive terms that Mr Joyce sentenced Qantas to...
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If the QF/EK partnership is so bad, then explain the reasons for it's renewal (with no QF flights to DXB).
While some might scoff at the media frenzy today, not that long ago there were complaints about the lack of attention in the face of a growing Jetstar. The public don't care if the aircraft is years old, nor do the Qantas pilots lucky enough to transfer onto something new. It's about time we had a good Qantas news story, and I certainly hope this new PER-LHR service is the great success needed to encourage more CAPEX and growth for mainline.
If the QF/EK partnership is so bad, then explain the reasons for it's renewal (with no QF flights to DXB).
While some might scoff at the media frenzy today, not that long ago there were complaints about the lack of attention in the face of a growing Jetstar. The public don't care if the aircraft is years old, nor do the Qantas pilots lucky enough to transfer onto something new. It's about time we had a good Qantas news story, and I certainly hope this new PER-LHR service is the great success needed to encourage more CAPEX and growth for mainline.
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If the QF/EK partnership is so bad, then explain the reasons for it's renewal (with no QF flights to DXB).
The possible upside for a continuance of the alliance, given the ACCC's original summation that there would be material but not substantial benefits to the consumer COULD be that this is to continue with an extension. Having surrendered European presence other than the two flights daily to London, the EK 'alliance' bringing likely negligible revenue to Qantas, it would still provide valuable feed into the domestic network, thereby protecting what was always seen by insiders as the jewel; Qantas domestic.
Given statements made to the ACCC for the Alliance's formation (By Qantas) it is now very clear and supported by financial and government data that any tangible economic benefit was captured by Emirates. As was stated earlier, fortunately Mr Joyce didn't get the ten years he wanted.
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So is it "likely negligible revenue", or does it "provide valuable feed into the domestic network"?
The QF-EK partnership has already been approved for another 5 years. I would argue that Qantas wouldn't have bothered if there was no benefit.
The QF-EK partnership has already been approved for another 5 years. I would argue that Qantas wouldn't have bothered if there was no benefit.
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So is it "likely negligible revenue", or does it "provide valuable feed into the domestic network"?
Will this be a "light" flight?
Will there be a large number of females?
Are the selected non payers on short turn around with basic carry on luggage?
Will carry on luggage be strictly weighed by all travellers?
Are there any other paper work savings being employed to be able to add on extra fuel without breaking the max take off paperwork figure?
Anyone care to guess when the high work load in the cockpit will be as far as a pit stop being required or not?
But I do expect this to be a light load with extra gas for the first flight or 2.
Will there be a large number of females?
Are the selected non payers on short turn around with basic carry on luggage?
Will carry on luggage be strictly weighed by all travellers?
Are there any other paper work savings being employed to be able to add on extra fuel without breaking the max take off paperwork figure?
Anyone care to guess when the high work load in the cockpit will be as far as a pit stop being required or not?
But I do expect this to be a light load with extra gas for the first flight or 2.
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So is it "likely negligible revenue", or does it "provide valuable feed into the domestic network"?
The financial statements are there, you can access them and deflate the Operating Revenue(Total)yourself.
As is all the ACCC documentation, and indeed BITRE data. Qantas lost many hundreds of thousands of passengers abandoning Europe via Hong Kong, Singapore and Bangkok.
The Frequent Flyer business other than a marketing and database for sale requires a tangible International Network. Australian Qantas FF members were not so enthused swapping points for groceries; so Qantas needed to be careful in that the did not signal complete withdrawal from Europe.
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7.4 ton over the top. Will do it easy.
Interesting to find out what it turns out to be!
Real world bares no resemblance to the computed world!