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Old 28th Dec 2018, 05:45
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. So is it correct to say that the 787 has a load factor of around 20% on the MELB/PER/MELB legs of this flight?
No. I donít know what the total loads are between Perth and Melbourne on the QF9/10, but itís also sold as a domestic sector, and connects fairly well for Perth pax to the LAX/SFO services I think. These pax arenít included in those BITRE stats for Melbourne to London, or Perth to London (and back).

The additional 20% odd are just the Pax traveling all the way from MEL - LHR (via Perth), or vice versa, as that is the QF 9/10 service. The PER - LHR numbers are pax originating in Perth, or joining the service from elsewhere.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 05:50
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"Fact is, you may not like to hear it but someone who is willing to drop 10k on a flight to London in Business is more important to a full-service carrier than economy pax who would have flown with Air Asia if only that were an option. I'm not suggesting those who are not wealthy enough to fly business are less equal as people, but Qantas is a business"

And when that is an option!

Great plan Qantas and exactly why I search all airlines now - long are the days that I would pay the extra premium to fly with them.

My last flights with them were Brisbane to Sydney and then on to Darwin with my wife in Business class around 3 years ago, since then I can say in flight service from Perth to Brisbane with Virgin was certainly not worse. There was a slight advantage to Qantas in the lounge department at most places but not all.

No need to cancel the flight - divert for fuel, after all in your percentages - it is a very rare occurrence and that the extra cost could be factored in over a year. That gets everyone to destination but maybe a few hours late - not up to a few days.

P.S the next flight from Perth to Singapore is often the next day for many.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 05:50
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United have a similar number of seats held on their B789 services LAX MEL and SFO HKG services.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 09:57
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So the 789 is not the answer then?
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 10:23
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4 engs for ultra long haul .
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 10:56
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
4 engs for ultra long haul .
Interesting-
Even if the 747-800 was chosen to fly non-stop PER-LHR I would think the trip would still be payload restricted - But to what degree v.v the current flight using the QF 789 and its payload restrictions ?

I would love to know and crunch the numbers though to see how it compares £££/$$$ economics with the 787-9 A350 or the new 777 coming
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 11:24
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Interesting-
Even if the 747-800 was chosen to fly non-stop PER-LHR I would think the trip would still be payload restricted - But to what degree v.v the current flight using the QF 789 and its payload restrictions ?

I would love to know and crunch the numbers though to see how it compares £££/$$$ economics with the 787-9 A350 or the new 777 coming
rog747,

You need to use the MEL-LHR to compare.

Currently on the 26th Feb the MEL-PER part of the leg cost as to the PER-LHR is an extra.

Business extra $201
Premium Economy extra $127
Economy extra $24

Cheap for a 4+ hour leg - thankfully only around 20% pay that - but clearly subsidised by domestic pax and/or Perth pax.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 11:45
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
Originally Posted by On eyre View Post
So can someone advise - is the reduction in payload due to European winter weather conditions or takeoff limitations in Perthís summer ?
Both, however on a very hot day in Perth last week max take off weight was reduced by 5000 kilos plus the higher SG reduce fuel up lift by about 1000 kilos.
Disagree - Neither of those were the primary reason.
The payload reductions earlier in the week were due to unusually strong headwinds enroute to LHR. Today's planned flight time is a full one hour shorter than that of 5 days ago when the large restrictions occurred! Flight times are back to normal, yielding a 5.0 ton payload gain. On the hot day, the aircraft tasked was one of the couple remaining without increased thrust engines. So while it had a reduced TOW it made no real difference. The tanks were full and the ZFW was restricted to make the distance. So I expect it had to depart at less than MTOW, regardless of the temp in Perth.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 12:22
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Bend a lot - nothing strange here with through fares (or on-carriage) - happens all the time
eg February 26 PLO - ADL $162 ADL - MEL $160 PLO - MEL $277 (same flights $45 difference)
Get my drift ?
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 12:36
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Originally Posted by On eyre View Post
Bend a lot - nothing strange here with through fares (or on-carriage) - happens all the time
eg February 26 PLO - ADL $162 ADL - MEL $160 PLO - MEL $277 (same flights $45 difference)
Get my drift ?
Flight time and class/s of seats, and numbers of class of seat that hit London. please.

How is the lounge at PLO these days?

Get my drift?

PLO - MEL is half MEL - PER. "on carriage"
$45 v $24.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 13:50
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Oh weird, I seem to have accidentally logged into the Professional Network Strategists and Yield Managers Rumour Network.
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 11:32
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Well then. Why don’t you scram in that case? We wouldn't want you to be overtaxed in your exalted position of fleet & yield management. Before you go though.,,I always wondered what was to manage with only one type able to do a city pair, a known finite number of seats and a well-understood revenue target. What am I missing? I’d really like to know because I am teaching my dog algebra, and it seems he is anxious not to become over-qualified to get a job in the campus. He thinks a simple pawing of the floor should be enough expertise for yield management. Can you advise?

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Old 30th Dec 2018, 05:12
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Does someone have real numbers 747-8 v 787-9 on this route. With fuel prices remaining low, does this make the 748 more viable should traffic increase considering slots at LHR a a fixed number.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 06:31
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Originally Posted by nomorecatering View Post
Does someone have real numbers 747-8 v 787-9 on this route. With fuel prices remaining low, does this make the 748 more viable should traffic increase considering slots at LHR a a fixed number.
I asked the same Q above a few days ago but no answers so far -

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If the 747-800 was chosen to fly non-stop PER-LHR I would think the trip would still be payload restricted -
But to what degree v.v the current flight using the QF 789 and its payload restrictions ?

I would love to know and crunch the numbers to see how it compares the economics with the 787-9 (and the A350 or the new 777)
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 09:10
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Why bother crunching numbers on 747-8? Qantas donít have them and wonít buy them so they are irrelevant.

So far loads are good, diversions are zero and pax and crew both are enjoying it. So from Qantas perspective it is the right aircraft. Even if PPRuNe elite think not.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 09:34
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Out of interest when QF retire all the 744s will they have enough 789s to do JNB and SCL?
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 02:53
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Sorry but I feel compelled to come out of the woodwork and call you out Rated De.

Exactly what your motivation is to spend hours and hours on here constantly degrading Qantas and itís management, with your ďexpertĒ financial and market analysis, just mystifies me. Itís clear to me you donít work for Qantas. Iíve worked for Qantas for nearly two decades, I joined as a very young aviator and with a very average academic record and no tertiary education Iíve been able to provide for my family beyond my wildest dreams.

Your moniker for Alan Joyce is devoid of wit and I find it pathetic, it highlights your true IQ. Iíve never met the man, and Iím fairly certain Iíve never even laid my eyes on him in the flesh in all this time. I care about him as much as he would care about me. But your relentless name calling and put downs underscores your maturity, I am picturing you sitting in your parentís study bashing all this drivel out, while life passes you by.

Are you also posting your pearls of aviation management wisdom on the Wannabe Airline Executive Forum, or sharing your insights with the online community who also play the airline simulation games? If you were as smart as you clearly think you are, you might yourself be sitting on QCA1 actually running Qantas. But, alas, youíre not.

Most pilots at Qantas donít particularly like the management or think they are doing a very good job. Iím in this bucket myself. I would have bought 777s and 787s 15 years ago, and foregone all the quad engine gas guzzlers. I also would have bought bitcoin and sold it a year ago (I just didnít get around to it).

Rated De, I very much look forward to you starting an airline, or taking one over. You can then go to Boeing and Airbus with your multi billion dollar cheques and buy hundreds and hundreds of efficient twins, and just start flying them all over the world. Youíll be paying the pilots at top market rates so thereíll be no issues attracting ďtalentĒ (I understand Qantas now use this term to describe new hires).

Finally - if only ASIC (the entire organisation that is) was as insightful as you are. All that white collar crime going on in Bourke Rd (sorry Rated De, it hasnít been Coward St for years) would be enough to see Alan and co locked up for life for all the very serious breaches (you alledge) of the Corporations Act, among others Iím sure. Itís amazing (to borrow a word from the actual CEO) that such corporate atrocities are being committed, and on such a spectacular scale as described by yourself Rated De, right under ASICís nose and yet they canít see it. Undoubtedly, you are also wiser than all the partners at KPMG (the auditors) put together, as they too cannot see what you can, despite having access to the actual books, which you dont. And I bet theyíre on the hook too, auditing the books of a publicly listed company must surely make one liable when, down the track, the corruption is finally exposed. Or do you think ASIC and KPMG are also involved in this conspiracy?

oh and one last thing Rated De. I find it mildly ironic, that the bulk of your ranting on here is about a new fleet for Qantas (we get the message by the way, no need to reiterate it each time). But now we see a new theme creeping in whereby you are also critising Qantasís 787 PER-LHR - did you realise this is actually a ďnewĒ aeroplane flying a new and challenging route? So poor old Alan just canít win with you. Doesnít buy new jets, gets criticised. Buys some new jets, flies them directly to Europe, gets criticised. Iíd feel sorry for the lad if it wasnít for the $26 million he got last year to cheer him up.

So Rated De. Itís now 2019. How about you get out more, meet some new people (hopefully even a special one) and enjoy yourself. Less smashing of keyboards about how bad a job a bunch of people in Sydney are doing (not sure how the record profits reconcile with that, but letís leave that or weíll be here all day). I donít think your cover is blown, so you might perhaps even apply for a job here and put your passion into action. You might even make a difference.

Have a a great year everyone.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 08:53
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Well said JJJ01
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 11:45
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I reckon that in 363 days from now that will still be the best post of the year.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 18:20
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Boeing 777X: The new flagship plane is nearly ready to fly

First delivery in 2020, but no orders in sight for Qantas.
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