Perth to London
4 engs for ultra long haul .
Interesting-
Even if the 747-800 was chosen to fly non-stop PER-LHR I would think the trip would still be payload restricted - But to what degree v.v the current flight using the QF 789 and its payload restrictions ?
I would love to know and crunch the numbers though to see how it compares £££/$$$ economics with the 787-9 A350 or the new 777 coming
Even if the 747-800 was chosen to fly non-stop PER-LHR I would think the trip would still be payload restricted - But to what degree v.v the current flight using the QF 789 and its payload restrictions ?
I would love to know and crunch the numbers though to see how it compares £££/$$$ economics with the 787-9 A350 or the new 777 coming
Interesting-
Even if the 747-800 was chosen to fly non-stop PER-LHR I would think the trip would still be payload restricted - But to what degree v.v the current flight using the QF 789 and its payload restrictions ?
I would love to know and crunch the numbers though to see how it compares £££/$$$ economics with the 787-9 A350 or the new 777 coming
Even if the 747-800 was chosen to fly non-stop PER-LHR I would think the trip would still be payload restricted - But to what degree v.v the current flight using the QF 789 and its payload restrictions ?
I would love to know and crunch the numbers though to see how it compares £££/$$$ economics with the 787-9 A350 or the new 777 coming
You need to use the MEL-LHR to compare.
Currently on the 26th Feb the MEL-PER part of the leg cost as to the PER-LHR is an extra.
Business extra $201
Premium Economy extra $127
Economy extra $24
Cheap for a 4+ hour leg - thankfully only around 20% pay that - but clearly subsidised by domestic pax and/or Perth pax.
The payload reductions earlier in the week were due to unusually strong headwinds enroute to LHR. Today's planned flight time is a full one hour shorter than that of 5 days ago when the large restrictions occurred! Flight times are back to normal, yielding a 5.0 ton payload gain. On the hot day, the aircraft tasked was one of the couple remaining without increased thrust engines. So while it had a reduced TOW it made no real difference. The tanks were full and the ZFW was restricted to make the distance. So I expect it had to depart at less than MTOW, regardless of the temp in Perth.
Bend a lot - nothing strange here with through fares (or on-carriage) - happens all the time
eg February 26 PLO - ADL $162 ADL - MEL $160 PLO - MEL $277 (same flights $45 difference)
Get my drift ?
eg February 26 PLO - ADL $162 ADL - MEL $160 PLO - MEL $277 (same flights $45 difference)
Get my drift ?
How is the lounge at PLO these days?
Get my drift?
PLO - MEL is half MEL - PER. "on carriage"
$45 v $24.
Well then. Why don’t you scram in that case? We wouldn't want you to be overtaxed in your exalted position of fleet & yield management. Before you go though.,,I always wondered what was to manage with only one type able to do a city pair, a known finite number of seats and a well-understood revenue target. What am I missing? I’d really like to know because I am teaching my dog algebra, and it seems he is anxious not to become over-qualified to get a job in the campus. He thinks a simple pawing of the floor should be enough expertise for yield management. Can you advise?
Does someone have real numbers 747-8 v 787-9 on this route. With fuel prices remaining low, does this make the 748 more viable should traffic increase considering slots at LHR a a fixed number.
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If the 747-800 was chosen to fly non-stop PER-LHR I would think the trip would still be payload restricted -
But to what degree v.v the current flight using the QF 789 and its payload restrictions ?
I would love to know and crunch the numbers to see how it compares the economics with the 787-9 (and the A350 or the new 777)
Why bother crunching numbers on 747-8? Qantas don’t have them and won’t buy them so they are irrelevant.
So far loads are good, diversions are zero and pax and crew both are enjoying it. So from Qantas perspective it is the right aircraft. Even if Pprune elite think not.
So far loads are good, diversions are zero and pax and crew both are enjoying it. So from Qantas perspective it is the right aircraft. Even if Pprune elite think not.
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Sorry but I feel compelled to come out of the woodwork and call you out Rated De.
Exactly what your motivation is to spend hours and hours on here constantly degrading Qantas and it’s management, with your “expert” financial and market analysis, just mystifies me. It’s clear to me you don’t work for Qantas. I’ve worked for Qantas for nearly two decades, I joined as a very young aviator and with a very average academic record and no tertiary education I’ve been able to provide for my family beyond my wildest dreams.
Your moniker for Alan Joyce is devoid of wit and I find it pathetic, it highlights your true IQ. I’ve never met the man, and I’m fairly certain I’ve never even laid my eyes on him in the flesh in all this time. I care about him as much as he would care about me. But your relentless name calling and put downs underscores your maturity, I am picturing you sitting in your parent’s study bashing all this drivel out, while life passes you by.
Are you also posting your pearls of aviation management wisdom on the Wannabe Airline Executive Forum, or sharing your insights with the online community who also play the airline simulation games? If you were as smart as you clearly think you are, you might yourself be sitting on QCA1 actually running Qantas. But, alas, you’re not.
Most pilots at Qantas don’t particularly like the management or think they are doing a very good job. I’m in this bucket myself. I would have bought 777s and 787s 15 years ago, and foregone all the quad engine gas guzzlers. I also would have bought bitcoin and sold it a year ago (I just didn’t get around to it).
Rated De, I very much look forward to you starting an airline, or taking one over. You can then go to Boeing and Airbus with your multi billion dollar cheques and buy hundreds and hundreds of efficient twins, and just start flying them all over the world. You’ll be paying the pilots at top market rates so there’ll be no issues attracting “talent” (I understand Qantas now use this term to describe new hires).
Finally - if only ASIC (the entire organisation that is) was as insightful as you are. All that white collar crime going on in Bourke Rd (sorry Rated De, it hasn’t been Coward St for years) would be enough to see Alan and co locked up for life for all the very serious breaches (you alledge) of the Corporations Act, among others I’m sure. It’s amazing (to borrow a word from the actual CEO) that such corporate atrocities are being committed, and on such a spectacular scale as described by yourself Rated De, right under ASIC’s nose and yet they can’t see it. Undoubtedly, you are also wiser than all the partners at KPMG (the auditors) put together, as they too cannot see what you can, despite having access to the actual books, which you dont. And I bet they’re on the hook too, auditing the books of a publicly listed company must surely make one liable when, down the track, the corruption is finally exposed. Or do you think ASIC and KPMG are also involved in this conspiracy?
oh and one last thing Rated De. I find it mildly ironic, that the bulk of your ranting on here is about a new fleet for Qantas (we get the message by the way, no need to reiterate it each time). But now we see a new theme creeping in whereby you are also critising Qantas’s 787 PER-LHR - did you realise this is actually a “new” aeroplane flying a new and challenging route? So poor old Alan just can’t win with you. Doesn’t buy new jets, gets criticised. Buys some new jets, flies them directly to Europe, gets criticised. I’d feel sorry for the lad if it wasn’t for the $26 million he got last year to cheer him up.
So Rated De. It’s now 2019. How about you get out more, meet some new people (hopefully even a special one) and enjoy yourself. Less smashing of keyboards about how bad a job a bunch of people in Sydney are doing (not sure how the record profits reconcile with that, but let’s leave that or we’ll be here all day). I don’t think your cover is blown, so you might perhaps even apply for a job here and put your passion into action. You might even make a difference.
Have a a great year everyone.
Exactly what your motivation is to spend hours and hours on here constantly degrading Qantas and it’s management, with your “expert” financial and market analysis, just mystifies me. It’s clear to me you don’t work for Qantas. I’ve worked for Qantas for nearly two decades, I joined as a very young aviator and with a very average academic record and no tertiary education I’ve been able to provide for my family beyond my wildest dreams.
Your moniker for Alan Joyce is devoid of wit and I find it pathetic, it highlights your true IQ. I’ve never met the man, and I’m fairly certain I’ve never even laid my eyes on him in the flesh in all this time. I care about him as much as he would care about me. But your relentless name calling and put downs underscores your maturity, I am picturing you sitting in your parent’s study bashing all this drivel out, while life passes you by.
Are you also posting your pearls of aviation management wisdom on the Wannabe Airline Executive Forum, or sharing your insights with the online community who also play the airline simulation games? If you were as smart as you clearly think you are, you might yourself be sitting on QCA1 actually running Qantas. But, alas, you’re not.
Most pilots at Qantas don’t particularly like the management or think they are doing a very good job. I’m in this bucket myself. I would have bought 777s and 787s 15 years ago, and foregone all the quad engine gas guzzlers. I also would have bought bitcoin and sold it a year ago (I just didn’t get around to it).
Rated De, I very much look forward to you starting an airline, or taking one over. You can then go to Boeing and Airbus with your multi billion dollar cheques and buy hundreds and hundreds of efficient twins, and just start flying them all over the world. You’ll be paying the pilots at top market rates so there’ll be no issues attracting “talent” (I understand Qantas now use this term to describe new hires).
Finally - if only ASIC (the entire organisation that is) was as insightful as you are. All that white collar crime going on in Bourke Rd (sorry Rated De, it hasn’t been Coward St for years) would be enough to see Alan and co locked up for life for all the very serious breaches (you alledge) of the Corporations Act, among others I’m sure. It’s amazing (to borrow a word from the actual CEO) that such corporate atrocities are being committed, and on such a spectacular scale as described by yourself Rated De, right under ASIC’s nose and yet they can’t see it. Undoubtedly, you are also wiser than all the partners at KPMG (the auditors) put together, as they too cannot see what you can, despite having access to the actual books, which you dont. And I bet they’re on the hook too, auditing the books of a publicly listed company must surely make one liable when, down the track, the corruption is finally exposed. Or do you think ASIC and KPMG are also involved in this conspiracy?
oh and one last thing Rated De. I find it mildly ironic, that the bulk of your ranting on here is about a new fleet for Qantas (we get the message by the way, no need to reiterate it each time). But now we see a new theme creeping in whereby you are also critising Qantas’s 787 PER-LHR - did you realise this is actually a “new” aeroplane flying a new and challenging route? So poor old Alan just can’t win with you. Doesn’t buy new jets, gets criticised. Buys some new jets, flies them directly to Europe, gets criticised. I’d feel sorry for the lad if it wasn’t for the $26 million he got last year to cheer him up.
So Rated De. It’s now 2019. How about you get out more, meet some new people (hopefully even a special one) and enjoy yourself. Less smashing of keyboards about how bad a job a bunch of people in Sydney are doing (not sure how the record profits reconcile with that, but let’s leave that or we’ll be here all day). I don’t think your cover is blown, so you might perhaps even apply for a job here and put your passion into action. You might even make a difference.
Have a a great year everyone.
Boeing 777X: The new flagship plane is nearly ready to fly
First delivery in 2020, but no orders in sight for Qantas.
First delivery in 2020, but no orders in sight for Qantas.
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But now we see a new theme creeping in whereby you are also critising Qantas’s 787 PER-LHR - did you realise this is actually a “new” aeroplane flying a new and challenging route? So poor old Alan just can’t win with you. Doesn’t buy new jets, gets criticised. Buys some new jets, flies them directly to Europe, gets criticised.
I think everyone would applaud QF for working on a new route, but there have been so many withdrawn routes and slots to London (especially Europe!! and that's ignoring the debacle SIN/DXB/SIN mess that gave away large numbers of Qf's premium passengers) that PER-LHR can hardly be seen to have 'added' anything to QF's pax numbers. It defies belief that you can swap a 747 for a 787 and 'expand' at the same time.
I also think it's VERY fair to point out that the enormous numbers of Dixon ordered 787's that QF is taking on the world with, is hardly likely to send any opposition airline into a cowering frenzy of fear.
I also think it's VERY fair to point out that the enormous numbers of Dixon ordered 787's that QF is taking on the world with, is hardly likely to send any opposition airline into a cowering frenzy of fear.
I think everyone would applaud QF for working on a new route, but there have been so many withdrawn routes and slots to London (especially Europe!! and that's ignoring the debacle SIN/DXB/SIN mess that gave away large numbers of Qf's premium passengers) that PER-LHR can hardly be seen to have 'added' anything to QF's pax numbers. It defies belief that you can swap a 747 for a 787 and 'expand' at the same time.
I also think it's VERY fair to point out that the enormous numbers of Dixon ordered 787's that QF is taking on the world with, is hardly likely to send any opposition airline into a cowering frenzy of fear.
I also think it's VERY fair to point out that the enormous numbers of Dixon ordered 787's that QF is taking on the world with, is hardly likely to send any opposition airline into a cowering frenzy of fear.