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Australia's national Qantas, tells staff to call Australia's settlement an "Invasion"

Old 4th Mar 2018, 22:55
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Australia's national Qantas, tells staff to call Australia's settlement an "Invasion"

unbelievable, what is the airline, let a lone the country coming to?

h t t p : / / http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...d557c2916c45ca

“Describing the arrival of Europeans* as a ‘settlement’ is a view of Australian history from the perspective of England rather than Australia,” the information pack sent to staff states. “Instead of settlement, try ‘colonisation’, ‘occupation’ or ‘invasion’.”
In a hilarious fact-box headed “Minimise manterruptions”, Qantas* advises: “Research shows that in many situations, including the workplace, men interrupt and speak over women, while the reverse rarely happens.”
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The Australian 10:22AM March 5, 2018
Tony Abbott has described Qantas’s human resources management as the “corporate thought police” after the airline issued an information pack for staff, advising them to refrain from using “gender-inappropriate” words such as “guys”, “mankind” or “chairman”.

Qantas’s People and Culture group executive Lesley Grant sent the advice out as part of the airline’s “Spirit of Inclusion” month, the Daily Telegraph reports.

Employees were advised to be mindful of “manterruptions”, when men interrupt women, and stop using terms of endearment such as “honey”, “darling”, or “love”, because they “often offend”.

The HR document also makes a foray into Australian history, advising employees to recognise the “reality” that “Australia was not settled peacefully”.

“Describing the arrival of the Europeans as a ‘settlement’ is a view of Australian history from the perspective of England rather than Australia. Instead of settlement, try ‘colonisation’, ‘occupation’ or ‘invasion’,” employees are advised.

They are also warned against using terms such as “husband” and “wife” and “mum and dad”, “which can reinforce the idea that people are always in heterosexual relationships”.

Mr Abbott said the instructions were “political correctness that’s gone way over the top”.

“Frankly if companies like Qantas want to give their customers a better deal, they can scrap all these inclusion units, just scrap them, save the money because it’s just rubbish this idea that we need a corporate thought police,” he told 2GB.

“I mean really and truly it is a complete, absolute and utter waste of money.

“I’ve been on hundreds of Qantas flights over many, many years now. Qantas staff are very good people. They are decent, sensitive people, they’ve got to deal with just about every possible type of person, and they don’t need this kind of nonsense, they really don’t.

“It’s an insult to them, quite apart from a great waste of money, but I’m afraid these are the very weird and strange times in which we live.”

Mr Abbott said people should “calm down” over the use of terms of endearment such as “darling” or “love”.

“I think people can be incredibly precious about these things. I call a lot of people ‘mate’. Sometimes I might even say that to a girl.

“I just think we should just calm down about a lot of this,” he said.

“I think people have got themselves altogether too agitated and again, it’s a species of political correctness that’s gone way over the top.

“I think that different people have different verbal mannerisms as it were, and I think that we should be pretty easygoing about them”.
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“Go f$&k yourself’ and ‘get f$&ked’ are gender neutral, and don’t refer to Australia Day at all.
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In a separate email on ‘Inclusion Week’ to staff, Lesley Grant says, “We want Qantas to be an environment where everyone feels comfortable to bring their whole selves to work.”

Well, Lesley, you third-rate scolding busybody, my ‘whole self’ is someone who calls my wife “my wife”, because she’s my wife, and I’ll continue to use such language as my upbringing, values and sense of courtesy dictate.

My whole self also likes to respond to this sort of corporate intrusion and overreach by saying “Get stuffed”. Thank you for encouraging me to bring my whole self to work.
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“I’ve been on hundreds of Qantas flights over many, many years now. Qantas staff are very good people. They are decent, sensitive people, they’ve got to deal with just about every possible type of person, and they don’t need this kind of nonsense, they really don’t.
Not everyday once is drawn to agree with Mr Abbott.
On reading the article it stuck us as though Qantas has simply lost its way.

Spurred on by 'his' battle against discrimination, Mr Joyce seemingly loves the hero myth a bit too much. Rather than simply letting staff know that they handle the most appalling of people incredibly well, instead more drivel. It lost its way a long time ago and this is more of the same; Has this really a place in an airline where customer service models are the driving force of the business ie: communication skills are necessary requisites for all front line staff, it is after all the value add of the service business?


Corporations had expiry dates for a reason, they exist for a purpose not the grounds for a fertile social experiment.

“The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline.”
Qantas it could be argued lacks discipline in its strategy, there have been so many random walks from Red Q to JQ franchises, to 'terminal' then 'transformed' and now an apparent rotation back towards JQ.
The hierarchy at Qantas is impressive, several new levels of management for less fleet than a decade ago..


I often wonder whether the staff at Qantas actually 'feel safe' expressing any dissent to such nonsense?
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No Rated De, we don’t express any dissent, dissent results in re-education
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As an Indigenous person i.e. one who was born in AUSTRALIA of Australian persons I most strongly object to:
“Describing the arrival of Europeans* as a ‘settlement’ is a view of Australian history from the perspective of England rather than Australia,” the information pack sent to staff states. “Instead of settlement, try ‘colonisation’, ‘occupation’ or ‘invasion’.”
If `persons of nondescript personage' wish to go the`Invasion' route then our ancestors won!
To the victors go the spoils.
Get over it!

We are either a country of many divided
or
A Nation of One United.

These people need to remove their heads from their fundamental orifices as it is clear they are not clever enough to realise where they are looking, contrary to their beliefs, the sun does not shine there.
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Don’t get upset about is, this is what the couscous eating wooly jumper brigade that is HR spends their day thinking about.
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“In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” G. Orwell
Just when you think it hit peak stupid, along comes Mr Joyce and surprises us all!

Just run an airline, you know flying people,bags and freight expeditiously and safely from A to B..
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I think people like Abbott need to take a chill pill... everybody thought it was weird to call unmarried or married women 'Ms' instead of 'Miss' or 'Mrs' 40 years ago, well, it sounds weird to hear someone called Miss now, like on a visit to an outback town in SA, the local Mayor was described to me as a 'good Mayoress'... I nearly fell over backward and wondered what century this town was living in.
Mr Abbott who described female candidates for the Liberal Party as having 'sex appeal' and who gave us the oh so contemporary (not) "What the women of Australia need to think about as they do the ironing". Not to mention describing himself as a 'suppository', a fellow Commonwealth country as 'Canadia' and referring to 'vaccinizing' people.
I agree the suggestion not to say 'guys' is a bit stupid, as it has clearly become a gender neutral word anyway but I don't see all of this as 'political correctness gone mad' as some do... seriously, people will use anything to trot out that expression these days and most would do well to look it up and see what it actually means. It's not what people think.

I think what is much more offensive is the use of vacuous management-speak weasel words like 'in the space', 'leaning in', 'going forward', 'the cohort' and so on.

As for colonisation - it WAS an invasion, that's what it's called when one group arrives and takes someone else's land or nation by force and without compensation. It amuses me that the same people that go on about political correctness insist on the non-use of certain words themselves - because it makes them feel uncomfortable to think the country was stolen (look up 'Terra Nullius'). The place may have turned out well on average for all including many Indigenous people but it was in fact invaded, setting up camp, shooting others and stealing is invasion - otherwise I suggest we start calling someone breaking into your house as 'a home settlement'.
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In a separate email on ‘Inclusion Week’ to staff, Lesley Grant says, “We want Qantas to be an environment where everyone feels comfortable to bring their whole selves to work.”

Well, Lesley, you third-rate scolding busybody, my ‘whole self’ is someone who calls my wife “my wife”, because she’s my wife, and I’ll continue to use such language as my upbringing, values and sense of courtesy dictate.

My whole self also likes to respond to this sort of corporate intrusion and overreach by saying “Get stuffed”. Thank you for encouraging me to bring my whole self to work.
Of course, if you're that confident in your view then say it to her in person.
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And it was only today that I was agreeing with someone on another thread that the place has just become so focussed on micromanaging every cost whilst massive waste goes unnoticed. This is just another pile of crap that will go unchallenged and continues to place a further divide between what management thinks happens and what the staff actually make happen on a daily basis.
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I think the titles of this thread and the surrounding newspaper articles should read:

"Activist Airline challenges High Court and seeks to overturn Mabo"

I want them to stop using the tagline "Spirit of Australia" it has clearly become misleading and deceptive conduct with this mind bogglingly stupid announcement. Perhaps they could change it to "Stunt of Australia"
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Qantas’s People and Culture group
Sounds like an arm of the Chinese Communist Party...

So glad I failed my psychometric testing with this organisation. The fact that I was a fast jet pilot in 2 different airforces obviously didn't qualify me for an interview...

Was reading in The Fighter Boys one veteran talking about the absence of psychometric testing in the pre war RAF. He made the observation that if there had been psychometric testing, they would have lost the Battle of Britain...

We now live in an age where ideology trumps competence. Recruiting for wholly female armies. Ring wearing. Banning of words and phrases. Quotas. Safe spaces. Maybe another war would blow off these latte fuelled distractions and concentrate everybody's minds again on what is important...in QF's case, flying aircraft.
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Oh, FFS!



You have included 16 images in your message. You are limited to using 15 images so please go back and correct the problem and then continue again. ....corrected.....
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Aerial Perspective, when the Aborigines walked across the land which currently is called Africa prior to plate tectonics making the Australian continent an island....did they invade,colonise or occupy?
If you want to talk history then don't confine the timeline to suit your bullsh1t argument.....and keep the politics out of it pumkin !
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D Day was an invasion. Japan invaded the Malay peninsular. As did the Normans in 1066 against the poms. This is achieved by one apposing army challenging another with the winner taking control.
The first fleet was not an army be it that they had some soldiers as protection and to keep control of the convicts. They were essentially squatters. They came and helped themselves to the land. Yes there were some uprisings and in some areas there were not. Australia was not settled on Australia day. Only Sydney cove was. The rest of the country was settled over the next 100 years,bit by bit.
There was no Aboriginal nation, but a vast network of individual tribes all across the continent many who never knew many of the others existence.
Unfortunatley for the indigenous population this was always going to happen sooner or later as it did all around the globe. Imagine if it was the Japs that got here first.
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