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Australia's national Qantas, tells staff to call Australia's settlement an "Invasion"

Old 5th Mar 2018, 04:01
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Originally Posted by mostlytossas
D Day was an invasion. Japan invaded the Malay peninsular. As did the Normans in 1066 against the poms. This is achieved by one apposing army challenging another with the winner taking control.
The first fleet was not an army be it that they had some soldiers as protection and to keep control of the convicts. They were essentially squatters. They came and helped themselves to the land. Yes there were some uprisings and in some areas there were not. Australia was not settled on Australia day. Only Sydney cove was. The rest of the country was settled over the next 100 years,bit by bit.
There was no Aboriginal nation, but a vast network of individual tribes all across the continent many who never knew many of the others existence.
Unfortunatley for the indigenous population this was always going to happen sooner or later as it did all around the globe. Imagine if it was the Japs that got here first.
You had me thinking about the perspective you're taking in your argument until I hit 'Japs'... yes, it was probably going to happen eventually and it did happen gradually but that doesn't mean it wasn't an invasion.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 04:17
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Whats wrong with Japs? My father fought the Japs in Burma. I have had the privilege to meet men who were prisoners of the Japs on the Burma Railway. They will always be Japs, just like we are Aussies, British are Pommies and Americans are Yanks. I don't hold todays Japs responsible for the past , just like I am not responsible for my ancestors actions.I have Jap friends who in casual conversation are referred to as such and they call me the Aussie. How can using that terminology change perspective? If it does then you need to get more strength in your perspective! I use the term Blackfella regularly-I grew up with them and am a 'blood brother' in a Yolgnu tribe. There was no Aboriginal nation to invade as stated it was a non-homogenous collection of nomadic tribes. Then there is the 'Right of Conquest'. Yes to the victor go the spoils!!! I am married to my Wife and my Mum is still alive. To think that an Airline can suggest to staff that they not use that terminology, or deny History is beyond my comprehension-the Plot is well and truly lost in todays Australia
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 04:39
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fire wall, how else would you describe an organised large-scale campaign to possess territory that is already occupied without the consent of the existing inhabitantss? There was no treaty, no terms, no negotiation, no recompense, it was just forcefully taken.

What may or may not have happened 60,000 years or so ago doesn't change what the British did after 1788. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Small point, plate tectonics is a rather slow mode of transport. Australia existed as a separate continent well before humans evolved and was last connected to a common landmass with Africa around 150 million years ago.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 05:07
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Aerial, your Perspective is on the side of the Guilt Industry, where us Aussies who have been here since the early 1800s are supposed to feel guilty for something done in the 1700s.

But Joyce says that we must feel guilty and call it an invasion, and call you Mzzz, and use huggy-fluffy terms that the bottom-feeders of HR dictate.

As stated above, abolish that whole department, and get back to being an airline.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 05:15
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I call BS and Fake News.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 05:20
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
Aerial, your Perspective is on the side of the Guilt Industry, where us Aussies who have been here since the early 1800s are supposed to feel guilty for something done in the 1700s.

But Joyce says that we must feel guilty and call it an invasion, and call you Mzzz, and use huggy-fluffy terms that the bottom-feeders of HR dictate.

As stated above, abolish that whole department, and get back to being an airline.
Never said people should feel guilty, they’re your words... and they are pretty common words coming from the priveliged who think things done in the past should not be put right because you think it’s trying to make people feel guilty. It’s a lame and vacuous argument that is quite obtuse.

No, we should not feel guilty for what was done from 1788 but as a decent, moral and just people and as a modern nation we should feel guilty that infant mortality and life expectancy in indigenous communities are well below average and more akin to a third world country than one of the richest in the world while we live as the descendants of the colonizers on the indigenous populations’ land that was taken without compensation.

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Old 5th Mar 2018, 05:37
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Not quite sure what any of this actually contributes to the safe carriage of people and freight in a hostile environment.

Not quite sure how it is incorporated into a valuation model either. Have never seen a model include this when calculating PE ratios, EPS or even fuel included CASK, the sort of stuff shareholders actually care about.

Feel free to continue the debate on invasions, colonisation, or settlements, the relevance of them to an airline makes as much sense as the highly paid flight attendant Lesley Grant's missive on how to not greet a married couple!

When you think peak stupid is reached, they invent a better idiot.

Wonder if Mr Joyce ghosted this novel too?

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Old 5th Mar 2018, 05:46
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AP:

As for your completely erroneous question, no, because it seems by most evidence that there was no one here except Kangaroos and other wildlife when the Aborigines forebears came here so they weren't invading another culture's land or stealing it.
Well, that seems to suit your argument, doesn't it? Try some research on the Mungo People. According to my "most evidence", they were here before the aborigines arrived, and do not share DNA with them. I believe that would make the aboriginal arrival an "invasion" as well.

That is never discussed in polite company though, is it?
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 06:05
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Australians have a hard time facing their Black History.

Call it what you like, we all benefit from the disposession of Aboriginals from the lands they once inhabited - whether we took part in the actual bloodshed, or not - and it wouldn't kill us to acknowledge that.

Having said all that, this new Qantas 'initiative' is simply, ridiculous.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 06:06
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From an aboriginal elder , backed by anthropological evidence.

Spanner in the Marxist “invasion” narrative ?

Understanding the history of Aboriginal Australians, their origins and how their population changed over some 50,000-plus years has always been an enormous challenge.

Many Aboriginal people have their own origin stories. Gudjugudju, a Gimuy Yidinji Elder from the rainforest people around Cairns, says:

The story which has been passed down from generations tells of three migrations that have occurred over many thousands of years, one of us coming to this ancient land first, then another at a period after the last Ice age which saw the formation of the Great Barrier Reef, the other is of a migration out of Cairns that went back through the Cape into the Torres Strait to PNG and further.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 06:25
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No spanner and facts aren't "Marxist" or otherwise. The British came, they saw and they took in a very deliberate, organised and forceful manner.

Comparing how Australia came to be populated in pre-history to what happened after 1788 is apples and oranges, entirely different processes. One was the planned and deliberate taking of a whole inhabited continent, the others were not.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 06:31
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Qantas has existed for nigh on a hundred years. It has sucessfully served the Australian people and many beyond its shores in that time without this politically correct claptrap. WTF is happening to this great Australian icon? I am embarrassed.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 06:36
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One small step for man one giant leap for mankind. OMG Neil what were thinking??
NASA should of sack him right there and then and left him on the moon.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 06:58
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How about we get this forum back to aviation and not politics before the bureaucrats tell us that aviation and its huge family are called something else
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 07:01
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It would seem the lunatics are firmly in control of the qantas asylum
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 07:08
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 07:10
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Chairpersons Lounge?
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 07:51
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Originally Posted by Bankstown Boy
I think the titles of this thread and the surrounding newspaper articles should read:

"Activist Airline challenges High Court and seeks to overturn Mabo"

I want them to stop using the tagline "Spirit of Australia" it has clearly become misleading and deceptive conduct with this mind bogglingly stupid announcement. Perhaps they could change it to "Stunt of Australia"
Qantas - "Spirit of Australia"
Qantas - "Spirit of colonisation"
Qantas - "Spirit of occupation"

Qantas - "Spirit of invasion"
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 08:02
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If only they were so progressive and respectful when it comes to dealings with Unions
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 08:04
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Wow, talk about an organisation that has a firm grasp on the non- essentials.

Imagine how profitable the business could be if they applied that energy to actually running an Airline!
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