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Old 31st Dec 2018, 05:59
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Originally Posted by wheels_down
Mid next decade Virgin will have a domestic 737 fleet age of 3 years.

QF will be sitting at over 17.
I suspect that after Joyce sails off into the sunset and a new CEO comes along and looks at the fleet ages they will get the shock of their life. The only aircraft not due for replacement are the 787s everthing else is getting to its use by date. Tens of billions of $$$ will be needed for fleet replacement.
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 06:13
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Originally Posted by dragon man
I suspect that after Joyce sails off into the sunset and a new CEO comes along and looks at the fleet ages they will get the shock of their life. The only aircraft not due for replacement are the 787s everthing else is getting to its use by date. Tens of billions of $$$ will be needed for fleet replacement.


The point Mr Roger Montgomery was referring to with respect to Capital Expenditure was that to maintain the fleet age at 10.2 years it needs to spend $1.3 billion. It needs to spend an additional $300 million on non flying assets.
Sweating the flying assets is one thing, but eventually they need to be replaced.
In ten years little Napoleon has done nothing.
He did order a complete fleet replacement for JQ.

With continued electronic media spend, a duplicitous media gleefully accepts chairman's lounges and countless upgrades. Olivia's office is well known in this regard. A huge expenditure to ensure their preferred narrative holds.
Look broadly at the industry, outside the home market myopia and Qantas is, under his tenure, in far worse shape than a decade ago.
Poor strategy, woeful execution and personal inadequacy makes for the perfect storm.

Time for the woodshed Little Napoleon.

Qantas need a new fleet.
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You're dead right Neville-N and Air-BroTown have showed them up big time, both with the QF idiotic claims, of being difficult being "at the end on the line" of the globe AND with poor aircraft selection/purchases.
The tossers should have been deploying the 4-engined 747s where no one else could go... south east and west over the South Pole direct to Sth America and to Sth Africa more!
It took them a long time of watching Lan Chile's load to wake up, plus ignore and not gear up for the Brazilian Olympics and Soccer World Cup! Muppets!
Too late now and yes I know where they fly...NOW.
India... another overlooked market. I won't go on but Yes, the Board are a disgrace and the disconnection with the front line magnifies while they try and justify selling catering and the previously owned Sydney Termininal etc etc... Train wreck approaches, hold the little man's 4 mill cheque!

P.S. Rated-D, you forgot on your list - Charge all gate services and fuel charges to the parent company...
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P.S. Rated-D, you forgot on your list - Charge all gate services and fuel charges to the parent company...
If one takes a step back and ponders.
At privatisation QF enjoyed the youngest fleet in IATA at 6.3 years.
It had a new fleet, a simple fleet.

Despite the fossil, Leigh Clifford's protests against the Air New Zealand bailout Qantas itself benefitted from taxpayer largess to the tune of (in 1992 dollars) $1.35 billion.

Instead of levering all that advantage they squandered it.
They did have the stupidity of airport privatisation; private airports and open skies dumped capacity. Is it any wonder Max Moore-Wilton went straight from PM Howard's office to Sydney Airport?

What they chose to do was 'buy' a consultants view of the airline industry.
The Growth share Matrix, pitched by Boston Consulting Group (BCG) developed by Henderson is probably in part the rationale for Jetstar.
Conceptually simple and with zero interest on whether it works, Qantas went head long into growing the 'star' at the expense of the 'dog' funded by the cash cow',. The reader can pick which tag applied to which segment.

The problem with idiots like Boston Consulting Group is hidden in plain sight; their name 'consulting' They care little in the success as they are paid anyway.
In comes Bruce Buchanan from BCG, charged with, despite having no idea of much other than accounting, with being an airline CEO. The timing coincident with the appointment of Little Napoleon.
In a very short space of time Bruce realised that it wasn't viable and told the board so.
Dispatched by Little Napoleon replaced with another accountant and consultant, Jayne (Carla) Hrdlicka became the CEO, now gone replaced with another accountant. See the theme?

Meanwhile in all probability the materiality threshold has grown as a rapidly growing 'star' Jetstar acquired more aircraft, meaning the parent needed to fit more of the bill.


Yes, the Board are a disgrace and the disconnection with the front line magnifies while they try and justify selling catering and the previously owned Sydney Termininal etc
If one spends time actually investigating the source of profit for Qantas it is apparent that the source of profit is supplemented by selling the silverware. The buildings in Coward Street, the long term and favourable terminal leases and more latterly the catering business.

Little Napoleon has made himself a wealthy man and considering his history that is an achievement, but for someone who would have been very reliant on a community in a very poor part of Ireland, to leave the community of an airline in far worse shape when he leaves is testament to a character ridiculed with personal inadequacy.

Mr Goyder if you read this, Qantas need a broom through the place, starting at the board room and executive management suites.

Qantas need a new fleet.

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Has Qantas been run down so badly that a 747 has to be flown to HongKong for an engine strut repair?
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Has Qantas been run down so badly that a 747 has to be flown to HongKong for an engine strut repair?
Maybe. OJU flew BNE/HKG yesterday for maintenance. Who’d have thunk that a few years ago? Ronald John would be having a fit if he knew.
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Australian airlines, by geographical necessity, specialize in long-haul travel.
Hardly! Only one has a real International arm. Coincidentally it's the one of the that elected to use B747's and A380's. Of the other two, one uses B777's the other B787's they were given by the airline that elected to use the B747 and A380 and which has suddenly realised they are the wrong aircraft, and has "discovered" the B787. Looks like the one that really specializes in long haul travel took the longest to wise up.
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Of the other two, one uses B777's
Doesn't that one also use A330s on long haul international operation, or have they stopped already?
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Hardly! Only one has a real International arm. Coincidentally it's the one of the that elected to use B747's and A380's. Of the other two, one uses B777's the other B787's they were given by the airline that elected to use the B747 and A380 and which has suddenly realised they are the wrong aircraft, and has "discovered" the B787. Looks like the one that really specializes in long haul travel took the longest to wise up.
Precisely.

They did however enrich the executive suites in Coward Street with amazingly well timed option vesting dates.
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Precisely.

They did however enrich the executive suites in Coward Street with amazingly well timed option vesting dates.
I think you are alluding to the precision timing schedule, to the day allows one to pick the lowest price possible.
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Originally Posted by Ken Borough
Doesn't that one also use A330s on long haul international operation, or have they stopped already?
Yes, forgot that, A330's MEL/SYD - HKG and seasonally east coast - Fiji (although that one's hardly long haul), so this "specialist long hauler' flies to just two destinations - but has only ever used twins to do them.
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No QF 25 to Haneda Friday night or tonight, well oiled machine is functioning well.
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Originally Posted by dragon man
No QF 25 to Haneda Friday night or tonight, well oiled machine is functioning well.

What just left at a few minutes ago at 3.14pm? Last nights 9.35pm flight???

Great aircraft those B747's.... I'm sure the passengers were happy about the 18 hour delay....

Is it my imagination (or FR24's) or have 5x QF25 flights been a NOGO in the last couple of weeks???
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They are a great aircraft , however Qantas don’t have enough of them to fly the routes they are doing , plus inadequate spares, engineering manpower and lastly downtime to keep on top of issues.
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Originally Posted by Dee Vee
What just left at a few minutes ago at 3.14pm? Last nights 9.35pm flight???

Great aircraft those B747's.... I'm sure the passengers were happy about the 18 hour delay....

Is it my imagination (or FR24's) or have 5x QF25 flights been a NOGO in the last couple of weeks???
Nobody to complain to as all the 'management' is all on holiday.


Taking a step back, given the enormous problems with the fleet, the inability to accurately project the requisite training and retirement paths leading to crew shortages and flying school announcements are all suggestive that this airline is rudderless. How many line pilots has the flying school produced?
Desperate operational staff holding it all together, while Little Napoleon comforts himself with family at his little get away.
Little Napoleon standing resplendent on his poop deck while the ship wanders in aimless circles.
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Originally Posted by Rated De
Nobody to complain to as all the 'management' is all on holiday.


Taking a step back, given the enormous problems with the fleet, the inability to accurately project the requisite training and retirement paths leading to crew shortages and flying school announcements are all suggestive that this airline is rudderless. How many line pilots has the flying school produced?
Desperate operational staff holding it all together, while Little Napoleon comforts himself with family at his little get away.
Little Napoleon standing resplendent on his poop deck while the ship wanders in aimless circles.

Very eloquently put.
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Originally Posted by dragon man
No QF 25 to Haneda Friday night or tonight, well oiled machine is functioning well.
The Saturday flight to Haneda is also delayed until Sunday arvo - massive costs and loss of customer good will due to running down the maintenance capability to such an extent that they can't even replace a pylon fuse pin. The press won't report it - they may lose access to the Chairman's Lounge.
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Originally Posted by Going Boeing
The Saturday flight to Haneda is also delayed until Sunday arvo - massive costs and loss of customer good will due to running down the maintenance capability to such an extent that they can't even replace a pylon fuse pin. The press won't report it - they may lose access to the Chairman's Lounge.
So, whats happening with Qantas, currently Sydney airport showing 5 international departures for tonight, only 1 is "on time" but is actually 3 hours delayed, 2 are delayed until tomorrow, including QF25 and the other 2 delayed 2 or 3 hours. Sounds like a major SNAFU?

Hard to believe all the press are bribed with Chairman's Lounge access.....

Only Qantas affected, all others (reasonably) on time....

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I think SYD wx caused problems this afternoon/evening.
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Originally Posted by Wonderworld
I think SYD wx caused problems this afternoon/evening.
But every other airline isn't affected? Seems unlikely, especially as (at least) the QF25 delays have been off and on for the last 2 weeks.

I can see why ANA only has 1 available seat for tomorrow, and its $6k in economy!
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