So you need a new fleet Leigh?
They can set the rates, doesn't mean we will vote yes to it though.
We had a pay freeze, they (Management) more than compensated themselves with their obscene bonuses last year,(circa $35mil for the top 2 alone), whilst retrenching 5000 frontline staff.
Quote" Wouldn’t it be a wonderful world for the Qantas board, if they were able to set pilot pay rates arbitrarily ?". Thank goodness they can't,we'd be on $2.50 an hour.
We had a pay freeze, they (Management) more than compensated themselves with their obscene bonuses last year,(circa $35mil for the top 2 alone), whilst retrenching 5000 frontline staff.
Quote" Wouldn’t it be a wonderful world for the Qantas board, if they were able to set pilot pay rates arbitrarily ?". Thank goodness they can't,we'd be on $2.50 an hour.
read my post again. Slowly this time.
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There is no capability to train for aeroplanes to arrive earlier than the current plan. A sad reality of how badly things were stuffed up in 2014/ 2015.
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There is no capability to train for aeroplanes to arrive earlier than the current plan. A sad reality of how badly things were stuffed up in 2014/ 2015.
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They won’t, the board has already set the wages rises for the next EBAs , it’s 2.5%. Should it be more, yes, without a doubt, but that’s what it will be.
It’s a pilots market when Cobham pilots manage to advance the ball in such a big way.
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If they ignored the need for a new fleet while taking random walks through Asia with a badly flawed JQ model, instead,of recruiting, training and promoting (in favour of self serving KPI) one could say at least they are consistent in their negligence.
Qantas need a new fleet and management
It’s my belief it’s actually worse than everyone thinks, they don’t even have enough TREs next bid period on the 330 to do recurrent training for the available line pilots. Hence the same as the 737 they can’t do any promotional training. To think this problem will be resolved in one bid period is delusional, I would think one year minimum.
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Qantas can find plenty of pilots... for the time being. There is no shortage of suitable applicants at mainline. There is a training pipeline issue and mis management dating back to 2014 in terms of gearing up for the arrival of new aeroplanes. This has been exacerbated as well by an increase of flying of the 737 fleet by 14% and the A330 fleet by 25%. That’s the equivalent of 9 extra 737s and 7 extra A330s. That is 65ish extra 737 crews and close to 60 extra A330 crews (plus S/Os). 250- 300 extra pilots in the pipeline before we start thinking about attrition (which is starting to increase as a result of the demographic) and expansion with the 787.
That the training bottleneck has happened is an indictment on somone but I cant work out who specifically. Who would know. Nice thing about bureaucracies I guess.
Pretty sure the A330 TREs can manage the current recurrent load. They can’t handle the recurrent load, promotional load and training of new CAT Ds and TREs. Hence the training slowdown on both fleets to pump out more Cat Ds and TREs which will then enable a greater throughput of trainees. Agree on your time frame.
That the training bottleneck has happened is an indictment on somone but I cant work out who specifically. Who would know. Nice thing about bureaucracies I guess.
It’s my belief it’s actually worse than everyone thinks, they don’t even have enough TREs next bid period on the 330 to do recurrent training for the available line pilots. Hence the same as the 737 they can’t do any promotional training. To think this problem will be resolved in one bid period is delusional, I would think one year minimum.
If there’s one certainty in Qantas and that is you can never find anyone to except responsibility. They have in my opinion one opportunity to dig themselves out of this hole and that’s to keep the 747 as is until April 2020 when the additional 787s start arriving. Do I think they will? Nope, would require an admission of guilt and lateral thinking something that I think is beyond this lot.
On the contrary, I think they ALL ‘except’ responsibility
This is what happens when "managers" get so excited by their promotion and F11 upgrade they lose sight of what they were put there to do in the first place after their more experienced colleagues (who know about resource planning) were made redundant four years ago. Babes in the wood with stars in their eyes.
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This is what happens when "managers" get so excited by their promotion and F11 upgrade they lose sight of what they were put there to do in the first place after their more experienced colleagues (who know about resource planning) were made redundant four years ago. Babes in the wood with stars in their eyes.
The whole point of the thread is that this fish rotted from the head down. Executive Management and Board failed to strategically position the company and shareholder funds from foreseeable threats. Fleet decisions are overdue and pilot training throughput foreseeable.
Executive management intent on re-writing social policy, random walks in Asia with JQ, and ineffective oversight from a board big in asset leasing and IR experience, but light on aviation experience, other than what First Class travel feels like and this is the result: A business struggling. Spending a lot on advertising, expensive junkets to Seattle so that the MSM don't notice...
With WTI at USD$74.11 and Brent higher, Jet fuel is rapidly approaching AUD$110 a barrel. Qantas face term structure pressure on fuel. They are hedging into higher forecast fuel prices.
With important geo -political developments driving forward premium, namely Venezuelan and Persian oil (if Trump exercises the 90 day clause) removing vital oil supply from the market and the Saudi Aramco IPO being predicated on at least USD$80 oil, the term structure suggests more contango in the oil market. This is not conducive to a 'transformation' narrative, nor is the QSA the problem. As Qantas benefited from the downwards leverage in the transformation year FY15 of a steeply falling fuel price, they are exposed on the way up. Far more exposed than their competitors.
Leigh Clifford may well be handing the new guy a hospital pass....
Qantas need a new fleet...Stat
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Qantas may well need a new fleet stat but there is no way of training for it. Even if they were to dead stop the 744 fleet in 12 months and accelerate 10 787s in the same time frame there is zero capacity to transition the crew between fleets. Qantas is stuck with the time frame they have. Post the 744 retirement they may well have the capacity to accelerate 787 deliveries for a 12 month time frame but that’s ages away yet.
Keg, as it stands they need to slow the 747 retirement plan.
They wouldn't be able to maintain anything like the domestic capacity they need without it. Who would have thought we'd see Sydney-Perth, crewed out of Brisbane no less, on the 747!
The patterns for next BP to Perth out of Brisbane were pax to SYD, day off, operate to PER, pax BNE. 3 day pattern. One operating sector. 16.30 pay. Crazy stuff. I understand part of this was having no surplus in the SYD base and a little bit in BNE so it was presumably the only way to do it. HKG and HND patterns have also been crewed out of BNE with additional days away credit, accom, allowances (and AFDP payable for the paxing sector back to BNE). I'm not sure what the determining factor is in A/C retirements (D-check?) but if they HAVE to start retiring 747s for any reason they're in serious trouble.
They wouldn't be able to maintain anything like the domestic capacity they need without it. Who would have thought we'd see Sydney-Perth, crewed out of Brisbane no less, on the 747!
The patterns for next BP to Perth out of Brisbane were pax to SYD, day off, operate to PER, pax BNE. 3 day pattern. One operating sector. 16.30 pay. Crazy stuff. I understand part of this was having no surplus in the SYD base and a little bit in BNE so it was presumably the only way to do it. HKG and HND patterns have also been crewed out of BNE with additional days away credit, accom, allowances (and AFDP payable for the paxing sector back to BNE). I'm not sure what the determining factor is in A/C retirements (D-check?) but if they HAVE to start retiring 747s for any reason they're in serious trouble.
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This is what happens when "managers" get so excited by their promotion and F11 upgrade they lose sight of what they were put there to do in the first place after their more experienced colleagues (who know about resource planning) were made redundant four years ago. Babes in the wood with stars in their eyes.
Qantas may well need a new fleet stat but there is no way of training for it.
Im hearing that a number of second officers who failed their sim checks had it over ridden by HR so they could be employed. If correct what a laugh.
