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Old 17th Jan 2019, 06:05
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot View Post



I was thinking that just keeping the fully crewed and depreciated 747-400s a bit longer might be an idea but I wouldn’t be unhappy with that either.
Agreed either would be good, both would be fanbloodytastic
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 06:31
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Latest scuttle butt is that operation sunrise is not looking to flash. The only aircraft with a hope of doing it is the A350-1000, the 380 D checks are shaping up as a disaster and two will be grounded by years end. Don’t shoot the messenger please.
I thought that the A350-900 ULR had longer range than the A350-1000.

My source said that management are looking at grounding the first four A380’s - PERMANENTLY.

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Old 17th Jan 2019, 08:29
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I thought that the A350-900 ULR had longer range than the A350-1000.

My source said that management are looking at ground the first four A380’s - PERMANENTLY.
4 380s grounded we would really see who was naked when the tide was out then.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 08:54
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but the A350 seems to have proven itself pretty capable so far
Ahh... but has an A350 gone through a D check yet?
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 09:20
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Have EK or any other operators found big problems during D checks?
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 10:20
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4 380s grounded we would really see who was naked when the tide was out then.
That the 'first' QF 787 was Line Number 615, (ignoring the aircraft gifted to JQ) shows how poor Qantas' strategic planning and execution are.
That they still call their long range replacement 'Project Bananarama' as if to imply some Operational security is laughable.
Not only has the tide already gone out, those airlines that went with it, took new fleet into the future. Little Napoleon sits with bucket and spade and wonders where the water went.

Qantas need new management
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 11:59
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My source said that management are looking at grounding the first four A380’s - PERMANENTLY
Does your source give any reason for this?
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 12:04
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Does your source give any reason for this?
The sheer cost of the wing crack repairs and the lack of any certainty about the subsequent life of the wings after the repairs.

I believe the early aircraft have more of a problem than the later ones.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 12:52
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Ask the worlds greatest user of the “Sarah Jessica Parker “, what their wing cracking experience is with their early built units.
How many of them are now “ parked “ at Dubai World ?
Does the Alliance Engined Dugong have a different harmonic affecting wing crack propagation compared to the RR engined block of flats ?
Does this explain Clarke’s departing “ French Castle “ inspired RR engined splurge of 380’s ?

That order , which happened to keep the Airbus’ 380 production line conviently opened , must have pissed Qantas’ wee one off no end !
Due , no doubt to the lack of access to an end of production clause for the remaining White Elephants that Qantas are stuck with !
Of course this is purely fanciful rumour mongering speculation .
Or is it ?
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 13:25
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Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket View Post
Ask the worlds greatest user of the “Sarah Jessica Parker “, what their wing cracking experience is with their early built units.
How many of them are now “ parked “ at Dubai World ?
Does the Alliance Engined Dugong have a different harmonic affecting wing crack propagation compared to the RR engined block of flats ?
Does this explain Clarke’s departing “ French Castle “ inspired RR engined splurge of 380’s ?

That order , which happened to keep the Airbus’ 380 production line conviently opened , must have pissed Qantas’ wee one off no end !
Due , no doubt to the lack of access to an end of production clause for the remaining White Elephants that Qantas are stuck with !
Of course this is purely fanciful rumour mongering speculation .
Or is it ?
Recently flew EKs oldest 380 to Oz and the third eldest one back to the sand. So they don't seem to be parked .
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Nunc View Post
Have EK or any other operators found big problems during D checks?
of A350’s?
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 07:47
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Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket View Post
Ask the worlds greatest user of the “Sarah Jessica Parker “, what their wing cracking experience is with their early built units.
How many of them are now “ parked “ at Dubai World ?
Does the Alliance Engined Dugong have a different harmonic affecting wing crack propagation compared to the RR engined block of flats ?
Does this explain Clarke’s departing “ French Castle “ inspired RR engined splurge of 380’s ?

That order , which happened to keep the Airbus’ 380 production line conviently opened , must have pissed Qantas’ wee one off no end !
Due , no doubt to the lack of access to an end of production clause for the remaining White Elephants that Qantas are stuck with !
Of course this is purely fanciful rumour mongering speculation .
Or is it ?


From a reputable connection came the following.
Some of the early build A380 were effectively hand finished. Whether this includes the QF aircraft is unknown, however QF did have some of the earlier aircraft.

There were and remain issues of sovereignty, national pride and different ways of doing things that plague all industries driven by the outsourcing model of production.
That Boeing lost control of the 787 is well known. A bit like the EU being centred in Brussels, but pulling in numerous directions, it is difficult to produce a seamless product when points of manufacture vary wildly. Airbus has had issues like this however lofty their intent. Of course when the 'master class management specialists' look at it it works effectively on power point.

A forward thinking well run airline would listen strategically and plan accordingly. Fleet decisions are made a long way down the road, that aircraft may suffer from issues which reduce their service life is not unknown. That Qantas did neither is testament to Little Napoleon..
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 08:15
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I feel now that I have smelt enough smoke to think this is credible. As I see it there are 3 options available not in any order.
1) Keep the 6 747-400 ERs for an extra couple of years, the advantage of this as I see it is that it keeps going to Haneda where despite the confidence (arrogance) of management I don’t see the Japanese allowing the 380 to go there.
2) Dry lease a number of 380s from Emerates , these would have to be repainted, also different pax configuration and engine type.
3) There is some smoke here I feel, get more 787s quicker. Told today that 787 training is ramping up with Singapore again to be utilised with QF instructors.

We live in interesting times.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 10:10
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I feel now that I have smelt enough smoke to think this is credible. As I see it there are 3 options available not in any order.
1) Keep the 6 747-400 ERs for an extra couple of years, the advantage of this as I see it is that it keeps going to Haneda where despite the confidence (arrogance) of management I don’t see the Japanese allowing the 380 to go there.
2) Dry lease a number of 380s from Emerates , these would have to be repainted, also different pax configuration and engine type.
3) There is some smoke here I feel, get more 787s quicker. Told today that 787 training is ramping up with Singapore again to be utilised with QF instructors.

We live in interesting times.



Any change to the status quo is tacit acknowledgement that they got it wrong. Mr Goyder ought be watching as it is difficult to recall precisely what happened and when. With Little Napoleon's penchant for the limerick and a T-shirt wearing misfit and lawyers on the board he needs to be watching carefully.
  1. 20 October 2017 Qantas takes delivery of their first 787, line number 615. Ignoring the gifted 788 to JQ, literally hundreds were flying. Laden with free booze, soft corruption at its finest, no journalist pointed out that Geoff Dixon ordered the aircraft, the reference in Business traveler did mention that 'It’s been 4,329 days since Qantas first inked its deal for the Boeing 787' leaving out the fact that Little Napoleon hadn't ordered an air-frame.
  2. 5 January 2018 Fossil Chairman Leigh Clifford dribbled that it was the QSA 1992 limiting their capital raising and therefore fleet renewal. Ignoring the AUD $9.5 billion order for JQ they have tipped over AUD $2 billion into self enrichment with amazingly well timed executive options fuelled by excessive share buy backs. Thanks Tio
  3. 17 January 2018 The International Council of Clean Transportation (ICCT) Graver and Rutherford study detailed how poorly Qantas perform across the Pacific. That the study was route specific seemed to be what Qantas countered with. With the exception of a handful of isolated routes, ETOPS covers the whole network. Thus a fleet of wide body twins lowers CASK (fuel included) and importantly saves CO2. A point seemingly unknown in the curiously named "campus"
  4. 15 February 2018 S&P called the patent absurdity of share buy backs with deteriorating fleet metrics.
  5. 9 July 2018 Roger Montgomery stated that Qantas had poor fleet metrics and required a Cap Ex of AUD $1.7 billion just to keep the fleet age from deteriorating. In 2015 the 'transformation year' the fleet age was 7.7 years. At the time of publication it was 10.2 years. It is now 10.7 years.
  6. 28 November 2018 Little Napoleon celebrates ten years in the job. He certainly transformed the aviation industry, particularly with respect to executive remuneration.


Qantas wanders ever closer to the lee shore whilst Little Napoleon stands proudly holding the wheel, resplendent in his OAM for 'services' to aviation and tourism. Precisely what services and to whose benefits his efforts were directed was not disclosed. It is increasingly obvious the ship is rudderless.



Qantas need new management.

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Old 18th Jan 2019, 10:34
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Did QF do the wing crack fix on its 380 years ago? Are these cracks the same or something new?
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 04:15
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
Did QF do the wing crack fix on its 380 years ago? Are these cracks the same or something new?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ring-firm.html

These cracks were originally found and rectified worldwide.
The article gives a reasonable summation of the process and mode of discovery.

It is believed that this issue is a new and separate issue, which according to a usually reputable connection is evident in several early build A380, of which Qantas have some.

That Qantas has wasted a decade whilst accolades were bestowed on Little Napoleon is disappointing. It will be interesting to watch just what transpires, as any change to the flying and retirement plan is tacit admission they have their fleet strategy badly out of phase with the industry best practice. This best practice sees airlines like Thai already operating a fleet of 12 A350, whilst Fort Fumble continues to discuss 'Project Bananarama'.
If this is proven to be the case and four A380 are on static display, then the tide has gone out and will display Little Napoleon in all his glory.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 04:48
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. 'Project Bananarama'.
I may be a bit out of the loop here, but is this a serious name used by a multi billion dollar company, to label what should be a serious project? A project that will likely affect the livelihoods of hundreds, if not thousands of workers and shareholders?
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 04:56
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I may be a bit out of the loop here, but is this a serious name used by a multi billion dollar company, to label what should be a serious project? A project that will likely affect the livelihoods of hundreds, if not thousands of workers and shareholders?


Sorry a little creative licence.


Apparently the planning team adopted a secret code name locking themselves in the bowels of Coward Street. After endless planning sessions, substantial amounts of paid overtime, they emerged victorious. It required, so legend says, some out of the box thinking. circling the wagons more than once to deep dive into the data. Fighting push back, in a nut shell, a naming ceremony with all the trimmings, called it Project Sunrise.

The team were not aware, so legend says, that the name of the project was to be affixed to the endless search for a new aircraft.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 06:18
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Ah, well that’s a relief.

Just a little gullible I suppose. Still, when this Nigerian Guy comes through with my lotto winnings I’ll be able to retire and I won’t need to worry about the future of Qantas anymore.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 07:16
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Project purple on the other hand is alive and well
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