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So you need a new fleet Leigh?

Old 6th Aug 2018, 22:01
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For the pilots the change has been made, they dug their own grave.
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Old 7th Aug 2018, 08:19
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“Dug their own grave” - give me strength.... Obviously still plenty of pilots willing to live the horrible 787 existence. The cabin crew became QCCA/QDom/MAM 15+ years ago. The LAMEs have seen their total workforce size go backwards. The pilot workforce is growing.

Amazing that the 787 could have given a “30% productivity increase” to quote FLightDeck above. If this is accurate then the non-787 long haul terms and conditions must’ve been horribly unproductive to begin with.
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Old 7th Aug 2018, 08:30
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The productivity increase is due to been able to fly 180 stick hours every 56 days instead of the current approx 140 for the same money due to night credits for 4 person crew going. They have sacrificed lifestyle family balance big time. Having done 850 stick average the last 3 years on long haul I can tell you I would not want a 40 year career of it especially ultra long haul with the time changes.
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Old 7th Aug 2018, 08:35
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As opposed to horribly inefficient management today, of course.

It is disgusting to see a company drone criticising extremely long term staff for wanting a company to succeed and hoping for success, but knowing they are being lied to, every single step of the way.

The unfortunate truth is that not a single person at Qf (except the people you deride) have any interest in the company existing beyond their personal tenure.

But, fear not RC, total apathy has indeed taken hold and valuable staff simply do not care anymore. Fortunately it’s not my company or I would be deeply concerned. Unfortunately, the litany of titanically disastrous decisions can all be sheeted home to the great financially mythical being called ‘Other People’s Money’.

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Old 7th Aug 2018, 12:28
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Originally Posted by RealityCzech View Post

Amazing that the 787 could have given a “30% productivity increase” to quote FLightDeck above. If this is accurate then the non-787 long haul terms and conditions must’ve been horribly unproductive to begin with.
Seeing as though you posit that the contract to which you allude is 'unproductive' how about some reality?
  • Firstly the existing contract (which the pilots have myopically killed off as it is ring fenced on dying/not growing fleets) is a bit better than most comparable airlines, in comparable terms (Purchasing power adjusted parity)
  • Given the stage length the CASK metric is GOOD.
  • Include FUEL in the CASK and Qantas slides..(wrong fleet)
  • The RASK metrics are good, bu adding fuel to the RASK reduces operating margin
  • It was little Napoleon that claimed the cicra 30% saving.
Don't forget Qantas made a record 'transformation' profits in FY15,FY16 and FY17 without a new contract, and fleet of 787 pilots flying it
The contract in reality was never the issue.

The fleet needed renewal a decade ago.

Still waiting for the illumination you promised on JQ
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Old 7th Aug 2018, 12:31
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Pilots were the only union that offered up 30% productivity increase and a pay reduction in order for the privilege to fly a 747 replacement for more work and less money. Sadly Got to hand Alan the credit for getting one over the unions negotiators,it’s pilots and the contract apart.
And that one particular Stream lead was well rewarded.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 00:44
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Reality Chick is big on grandiose sweeping statements but is always lacking providing any data or facts. I’ve yet to see any solid data to rebute the facts Rated D has provided. Debate is always healthy but it’s a shame that a counterfactual from Reality Chick is so lacking in any detail.
Qantas International returned its cost of capital and made record profits prior to 787 introduction.
The extra flying on the 787 comes entirely from losing the protection of night credits. Something that was implemented a long time ago that was health related and not pay related. It will be interesting to monitor the long term health of 787 crews once the base establishment has stabilised, fleet has arrived, training has reduced and slip times reduce to normal.
When reality Chick sleeps in he, she or it’s bed every night, eats in the correct time zone, enjoys some Sushi and a latte in the street at the Proper time I suppose it’s easy to be critical. If you hate pilots so much and troll this website I suppose factual arguments are irrelevant.
Or perhaps is a management pilot who plays office dress ups and flies at times of he, she or it’s choosing in a rank, base and category grossly ahead of ones seniority.
Suppose it would be easy for some to be critical if your morals had a monetary value and got paid bonuses/KPIs to sell out your co workers and undermine the profession.
More likely to be someone who is resentful of pilots and contract protections without making the sacrifices to actually enter the profession or actually perform or have performed the work oneself.
You see few office staff including pilot management working regular night shifts. Its a ghost town come Christmas, Easter or holiday time.
Medical reasearch and data continue to illuminate the dangers of night shift work and jet lag.
Dont suspect the CEO on 30 million or David Andrew on 13 million would care about crew health other than send out an R U OK email once a year and tick a box.
The CAOs empower pilots alone of their ability and legal responsibilities to NOT operate or EXPECT to operate fatigued. Multiple night sectors are more fatiguing than day as any PILOT will acknowledge.
Pilots must take steps to manage fatigue risk, including the possible decision not to operate an aircraft if they feel that they are unfit as a result of fatigue, or likely to become so (paragraph 16.1 of CAO 48.1)
A lifetime of extra night sectors each and every bid period till retirement(increasingly likely to be medically) may result in pilots having to comply with their legal responsibilities now that the protection has been lost for the 787 fleet alone.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 04:56
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Might I add that within less than ten years all pilots in Qantas will be operating ultra long haul with no night credits as the 747,A330 and A380 will all be gone. IMO from first hand experience you are correct about the health effects but it will be to late when they realise it.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 08:53
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Having done 850 stick average the last 3 years
If you are flying 850 hours a year on the current LH EA you certainly won’t be flying 30% more on the 787. In fact you won’t even fly 6% more. So the argument about night credits is about money, not health.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 15:13
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If you are flying 850 hours a year on the current LH EA you certainly won’t be flying 30% more on the 787. In fact you won’t even fly 6% more. So the argument about night credits is about money, not health.
Exactly!

It seems much of the anti-EA9 sentiment is actually validating ‘Gamechanger theory’, when the reality is that the 787 contract structure and flying operation is little different to other operators.

I don’t know RealityCzech or Rated De, but it severely undermines your arguments’ integrity when you carry on about Alan Joyce’s teeth to try and make a point.
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Old 8th Aug 2018, 16:48
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Still waiting for the illumination you promised on JQ
Still waiting for a reply to my question....
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A lifetime of extra night sectors each and every bid period till retirement(increasingly likely to be medically) may result in pilots having to comply with their legal responsibilities now that the protection has been lost for the 787 fleet alone.
The one saving grace of the 787 contract is it costs nothing to go sick but allowances. There is no longer a perverse incentive to go to work tired or sick as there is now on big overtime sectors and on the SH award. If you're too tired to operate because you're being worked too hard, you go sick. Simples. Getting the certificate to cover such a situation as a generic "medical condition" is a simple matter.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 00:35
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
The one saving grace of the 787 contract is it costs nothing to go sick but allowances. There is no longer a perverse incentive to go to work tired or sick as there is now on big overtime sectors and on the SH award. If you're too tired to operate because you're being worked too hard, you go sick. Simples. Getting the certificate to cover such a situation as a generic "medical condition" is a simple matter.

You got it.
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Old 9th Aug 2018, 03:34
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And that one particular Stream lead was well rewarded.
Ol' Streamy!! Quickest 180 Ive ever seen....
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 06:35
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So Leigh as you wander off into oblivion, your blistering reference to the re-equipment of Qantas being hamstrung by the QSA 1992 is as hollow as your legacy.

Whilst this thread was a direct challenge to your baseless claims that legislation was stopping the company re-equipping and not your board and executive self enrichment 'share buy back' program, it seems that even a former QF economist acknowledges the obvious.
Off to the woodshed.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/trav...a380-problems/

Qantas need a new fleet and the almost $2 billion wasted on self enrichment would have been prudent use of shareholder funds.
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 05:52
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So Leigh, looks like the term structure of the oil price was indeed suggestive of contango.
The split between Brent and WTI surged past $11 earlier this year and a falling AUD isn't good news as Leigh, Jet Fuel and oil derivatives are hard to hedge and priced higher than their base oil.
Despite waffling about the QSA 1992 as the source of Qantas' problems, the reality is the self enrichment program (share buy back) pumped the share price and enriched insiders nicely, while the company continued to run a fuel inefficient fleet.
With the US likely to attempt to restrict Iranian oil exports, there is probably more upside, your fuel included CASK will get worse.
The shareholders hope Little Napoleon actually starts running an airline rather than spending shareholder funds on social engineering.

Off to the wood shed
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 06:49
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The airline needs more 787s ASAP then a quick decision and delivery on 777/A350. Personally I think oil will see $100 a barrel before if ever it ever sees $50 a barrel again. Management have had the the opportunity in the last 5 years to do something about the fleet but as pointed out above have spent the money on buybacks, bonuses and progressive causes. Rome burns while Nero fiddles.
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It's just history repeating itself dragon man, 2001-2002 all over again. They could have completely re-equipped with B777, instead they did nothing...just like they are doing now. How many aircraft orders have we placed under our current CEO?
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 12:20
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It's just history repeating itself dragon man, 2001-2002 all over again. They could have completely re-equipped with B777, instead they did nothing...just like they are doing now. How many aircraft orders have we placed under our current CEO?
This time thou they have been very clever as they have coerced the pilots into effectively a B scale to get new aircraft and in so doing reduced their crewing costs by a massive amount.
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reduced their crewing costs by a massive amount.
At massive expense to the airline long term.
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