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Old 16th Jun 2018, 07:53
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If if you want evidence of the scale of the shortage. Have a look at 737 open time. It’s going to be impossible to Crew it all.
What is open time? Is it simulator bookings? What drives/creates ‘open time’ ?
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 07:59
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Open time is uncrewed trips available to add to your flying, or possibly swap one of your trips with a better one.
What drives it? - more flying than crew!
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 09:34
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One thing is for certain this time round. They can no longer frighten us with story’s (sic) of impending doom if we vote NO. It’s gonna have to be pretty good.
Qantas need a new fleet.
They are acutely aware of the global shortage, hence they have established a local 'stalking horse' in Western Australia.
They have quietly got their 'Skilled Shortage' visas. They have a 'stream lead' who is tasked with setting up the pilot academy and we are told the academy will send 'graduates' where the company wants. Caveat Emptor

That the union involved offered various 'assurances' to management (and not the other way around) and did not appear to be aware of the positioning in Canberra, would strongly suggest that the union does not understand how large the shortage is, its genesis and more importantly how to leverage it.

As we understand it, presently there is a Qantas Domestic pilot contract negotiation underway. The company expects to extract substantial savings to be extracted and is confident of achieving this.

Firstly, LH negotiations haven’t even begun and it normally takes a while to get down to actual pay numbers.
Secondly, that could well be Qantas’ first offer but that’s where the negotiations start not finish.
Given Qantas have already gone out and told everyone who will listen about Project Sunrise and their desire to order an aircraft in 2019 for delivery in 2022, that puts AIPA in a strong negotiating position. (That and the fact we are making billion dollar plus profits, very different from 4 years ago).
This is not a criticism of anybody, but rather perhaps it is better to wait and see how well your Domestic agreement is advanced, before assuming, DESPITE QANTAS NEEDING A NEW FLEET, that the union is in a strong position to lever a deal that values the skill set your Qantas pilots possess, and the increasing amount of remuneration that skill set is now attracting worldwide.

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I’d add to that list some questions regarding what the former president is up to...... I understand he’s been a very busy boy whilst changing sides.

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457 instructors are only just the start
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 12:42
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It will be beneficial that for this set of negotiations Qantas has had a successful turnaround and is making record
profits. Can’t cry wolf now. Fell for it last time however that was then and this is now.
Current AIPA president unlikely to change teams post EA which also makes sure the deal is in the interest of the members as opposed to potentially being clouded by the Presidents ambitions.
Strong negotiating position for pilots finally.
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 02:15
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They have quietly got their 'Skilled Shortage' visas.
That is NOT true. Qantas have put in an application and AIPA have filed an objection. They have not been granted at this stage.

As we understand it, presently there is a Qantas Domestic pilot contract negotiation underway. The company expects to extract substantial savings to be extracted and is confident of achieving this.
The first sentence is correct and well known. The second statement is not true. I have personally spoken to the lead company negotiator and that is not his expectation at all.
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 02:27
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I’d add to that list some questions regarding what the former president is up to...... I understand he’s been a very busy boy whilst changing sides.

Call him. I did. He was quite forthright about what he was working on. None of it in this thread is even close to accurate.

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I have personally spoken to the lead company negotiator and that is not his expectation at all.
If the company had any sense at all they’d be working on making the SHEA more attractive to pilots rather than less. That way they’d decrease the churn of pilots wanting off it ASAP.

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If the company had any sense at all they’d be working on making the SHEA more attractive to pilots rather than less. That way they’d decrease the churn of pilots wanting off it ASAP.

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Spot on, however to do that will cost money and in an organisation that doesn’t have enough catering trucks that work or catering staff or cleaners, I could keep going but won’t IMO there is Buckley’s chance of the SHEA been improved.
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MDC? Superannuation? Multiple a/c changes? Density? Sick leave?
Waiting, waiting...
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MDC? Superannuation? Multiple a/c changes? Density? Sick leave?
Waiting, waiting...
and will continue to do so while senior management keep their snouts collectively in the obscene bonus pool.
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What’s the issue with voting No? It’s been that way the last decade in fact I’m thinking it will be a triple NO
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What’s the issue with voting No? It’s been that way the last decade in fact I’m thinking it will be a triple NO
Unless some of the above issues are addressed, there will be a no vote.
If the Company chose to address Superannuation/ MDC alone, they would would save millions in reduced Training Costs alone , because most people with the seniority are doing their minimum time then moving on. Unfortunately, the Company is fixated on short term performance bonuses...
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Originally Posted by Keg

Call him. I did. He was quite forthright about what he was working on. None of it in this thread is even close to accurate.
I am well aware of what he is working on. No need to ask again.

Hence the post.
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Originally Posted by Street garbage
Unless some of the above issues are addressed, there will be a no vote.
If the Company chose to address Superannuation/ MDC alone, they would would save millions in reduced Training Costs alone , because most people with the seniority are doing their minimum time then moving on. Unfortunately, the Company is fixated on short term performance bonuses...
I’m already voting no.
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 12:36
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https://www.theland.com.au/story/531...oreign-pilots/

It would appear that visa category is approved and now Qantas seek extension to four years, or is this media outlet incorrect? (not uncommon)

The first sentence is correct and well known. The second statement is not true. I have personally spoken to the lead company negotiator and that is not his expectation at all.
For clarity, can you confirm that the 'lead negotiator' to whom you refer is actually the IR manager, or is it a 'pilot representative'? Unfortunately the structure of most 'negotiations' at least from a corporate perspective, have a support structure that makes the decisions. Discussions with union representatives, whilst certainly illuminating are rarely if ever binding. Long gone are the days where a hand shake with a pilot representative across the table constituted a deal, irrespective of what the appearance is!



Whatever dark strategy that percolates from the corridors of IR...

Qantas need a new fleet.
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 23:12
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777/A350 is twice the size of a 787. The deal done for the 787 was for a 767 replacement. It was sold as flying a mix of regional and smaller long haul routes. At the time the company was also claiming nearly a two billion loss. Alan went begging to the government. Fast forward to now and it’s completely different.record profits, bonus, etc
Its not the same environment now. The Airline is making record profits and pilot shortages are increasing rapidly. Recruitment is at max.

AIPA itself has said in the media that even 737 pilots in Asia are making up to 700k.
Qantas will always attempt to start bargaining at the lowest point they can. If we were losing billions, pilots were getting demoted and it looked like QF was going broke then at worst 787 would be the start point.

The 380 replacement type is going to fly longer flights than any other airline globally. That will command a high premium. It will also be massively challenging fatigue and health wise for crews operating it.
Take a chill pill and let the negotiatiors do their job in good time. If you believe that the whole board and exec decision on Types is all hinging on a pilot EBA then you have been played for a total fool.

Well said

I’m sure that the AIPA will be doing their homework and counducting contract comparisons prior to negotiations. Alan may be in for a rude shock considering his magical transformation, Qantas much touted success and his resultant remuneration. Apparently, he never learned to avoid flying into the proverbial square corner. The going rate in the U.S, (converted to the Australian dollar) is;

- A350 is $457.00 per credit hour.

- B737 is $366.00 per credit hour.

The cost of living in Oz is higher, and so are the taxes. Qantas pilots are based in two of the worlds most expensive cities. Hopefully the AIPA will grind that in the leprechauns pipe, and watch him smoke it.

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Originally Posted by JPJP
Well said

I’m sure that the AIPA will be doing their homework and counducting contract comparisons prior to negotiations. Alan may be in for a rude shock considering his magical transformation, Qantas much touted success and his resultant remuneration. Apparently, he never learned to avoid flying into the proverbial square corner. The going rate in the U.S, (converted to the Australian dollar) is;

- A350 is $457.00 per credit hour.

- B737 is $366.00 per credit hour.

The cost of living in Oz is higher, and so are the taxes. Qantas pilots are based in two of the worlds most expensive cities. Hopefully the AIPA will grind that in the leprechauns pipe, and watch him smoke it.
They won’t, the board has already set the wages rises for the next EBAs , it’s 2.5%. Should it be more, yes, without a doubt, but that’s what it will be.
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Rated De, this is an excerpt from your provided link: (my bold)
QANTASLINK says its pilot shortage is so bad, its lobbying the government to change visa laws to allow foreign pilots to stay in the country for longer than the current two years
The airline is seeking permission from the federal government to address an acute pilot shortage by temporarily bringing in a limited number of simulator instructors and experienced pilots from overseas.

The agreement would enable pilots to be admitted for a period beyond the existing two-year window permitted under the current skilled visa program. QantasLink says attempts to encourage experienced aviators to move to Australia for contracts shorter than five years have proven uncompetitive
So the current provisions of the Temporary Skills Shortage visa are not suitable to recruit pilots largely because of the 2 year limit and the lack of a pathway to permanent residency. Qantas are seeking a Labour Agreement covering QLink and Network which do not have those restrictions, they have applied but it has not been granted.

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Old 18th Jun 2018, 03:03
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They won’t, the board has already set the wages rises for the next EBAs , it’s 2.5%. Should it be more, yes, without a doubt, but that’s what it will be.
I know im preaching to the converted, however ;

Wouldn’t it be a wonderful world for the Qantas board, if they were able to set pilot pay rates arbitrarily ? Fortunately, that’s not the case. Fortunately, they’re only able to vote in their own compensation packages with a click of the champagne glass, and a round of viagra for everyone.

The EBA will be decided by a vote - Based in part upon their competitors pay rates across the Pacific (higher than Qantas), their U.S. domestic 737 code share partners (American. Higher), and the health of the Qanta Group; which is simply a gamechangha. It’s amazing right ?

The board doesn’t set the rates. The AIPA sets the rates, in agreement with Qantas - after a vote by the pilots.

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the board has already set the wages rises for the next EBAs , it’s 2.5%.
Not sure where you got that information from.
This is from a transcript of an interview Alan Joyce gave to CNBC in March this year;
We have a pay and policy of 3% that we're implementing today; it's above the 2% inflation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/29/cnbc...s-airways.html
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