PNG crash
Man Bilong Balus long PNG
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Oh I dunno 'bout that gulliBel. I know that others managed far greater altitudes than that.
I did hear that a Talair pilot once got a 300hp version to over 20,000.' Exactly what altitude was reached I never found out, as those who know kept shtumm!!
One Person I spoke to did know but pointedly refused to say!
In my time there, there was a sort of unofficial 'record book' of altitudes reached in various aircraft types. I know that someone managed 30,000' in an 'A' model C402. And it wasn't me! I do know who but I 'aint sayin!!
I will confess that I was IMC to get there though. From memory (would have to check the log book) I was flying a Simbu BN2 from Wewak back to Moresby (via Yule Island) and if memory serves correctly the LSALT was around 16,000' when flown thataway.
Will check my logbook in due course and get back to you.
I did hear that a Talair pilot once got a 300hp version to over 20,000.' Exactly what altitude was reached I never found out, as those who know kept shtumm!!
One Person I spoke to did know but pointedly refused to say!In my time there, there was a sort of unofficial 'record book' of altitudes reached in various aircraft types. I know that someone managed 30,000' in an 'A' model C402.
And it wasn't me! I do know who but I 'aint sayin!!I will confess that I was IMC to get there though. From memory (would have to check the log book) I was flying a Simbu BN2 from Wewak back to Moresby (via Yule Island) and if memory serves correctly the LSALT was around 16,000' when flown thataway.
Will check my logbook in due course and get back to you.
Man Bilong Balus long PNG
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Surely you will run out soon?
Everyone I knew did the max flight times permissible each month when it came to pushing BN2's etc around the place.
I did hear that a Talair pilot once got a 300hp version to over 20,000
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Not according to the laws of human physiology - at 24000 feet without oxygen the time of useful consciousness is about 3 minutes. Any human being would be seriously hypoxic. And please don’t tell me you can legally fly at 24000 feet without O2. I’m sorry but some of these urban legends are full of s*@t
Cancelling SAR from 20000
Spent a lovely 6 months based at Pelikowa (Sth Manus) in 1974.
The HF was soooo bad that every afternoon I needed to climb to 20k in the B206 to cancel SAR with Mandang on VHF.
I never ever noticed the mechanic putting a slab in the boot - but it sure tasted nice when chilled off.
Oh, 18 minutes up, 5 down
The HF was soooo bad that every afternoon I needed to climb to 20k in the B206 to cancel SAR with Mandang on VHF.
I never ever noticed the mechanic putting a slab in the boot - but it sure tasted nice when chilled off.
Oh, 18 minutes up, 5 down
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18 minutes to 20,000 in a B206, Jetranger? Followed by a 4000 fpm descent back to land? Hilarious.
nothing to do with the crash, time to shut it down methinks.
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Quite right faheel
Getting back on track.
It is the almighty dollar or kina that is the root of the problem I believe. Time and money spent on good training is wasted when it comes to the bottomline. Yeah I have heard the "have an accident and see what that costs" story.
In my time in PNG(started pre GPS) time and money was spent on training along with consolidation. Be it hours on type or hours in country.I managed an ANO 28 for those that remember.
The standards/conditions have been softened to get people in the door as times are changing and there is not so much of a need to go bush anymore.
3000 hours petrol then Jet A1
1000 hours before a twin endo
Unheard of now.
I would expect the usual comments about age but it proves my point for those that can understand.
If the opportunity is given to work in PNG take it,know your limitations and grow with job,you will live longer.
Sadly too many of my fellow pilots have died in PNG.
Getting back on track.
It is the almighty dollar or kina that is the root of the problem I believe. Time and money spent on good training is wasted when it comes to the bottomline. Yeah I have heard the "have an accident and see what that costs" story.
In my time in PNG(started pre GPS) time and money was spent on training along with consolidation. Be it hours on type or hours in country.I managed an ANO 28 for those that remember.
The standards/conditions have been softened to get people in the door as times are changing and there is not so much of a need to go bush anymore.
3000 hours petrol then Jet A1
1000 hours before a twin endo
Unheard of now.
I would expect the usual comments about age but it proves my point for those that can understand.
If the opportunity is given to work in PNG take it,know your limitations and grow with job,you will live longer.
Sadly too many of my fellow pilots have died in PNG.
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It's the state of the industry across the industry, now, in my opinion, Night Beetle. There's more than one operator of multi-crew transport category aircraft that used to have slowish but steady progression to command, and a cadre of excellent and experienced skippers that now recruit first officers who get itchy feet if they aren't moving left inside eighteen months.
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Topic creep but altitude for use of oxygen is not an empirical number ! People live in altitudes in the high teens !! While I was camera surveying in DC3 at 20,000 feet amgl when went higher and higher without oxygen each week. ( as it was a pain to get the system charged in Africa!!) Except pilot of course - we made sure he had a supply !!
It is an empirical number for pilots because it says so in the air navigation regulations. Pilots might choose to ignore it, just like some people ignore stopping at red traffic lights.
