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Old 26th Dec 2017, 04:03
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Yes, sad news indeed.
Would an empty BN2 with, say, an hour of gas, be able to maintain height on one engine 10,000' ISA +15? I've seen BN2 take-off many times at MSL and their climb performance on 2 engines makes me wonder sometimes. One thing I didn't like in PNG was flying from A to B as a passenger in a Twin Otter...I never flew in anything smaller than that, my nerves wouldn't have been able to take it. Respect due to the guys and gals that fly them.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 04:14
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No GB, up there it would be lucky to maintain height on 1 engine at 5000. If it was a 260 hp Islander the performance would be even worse.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 06:05
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No GB, up there it would be lucky to maintain height on 1 engine at 5000. If it was a 260 hp Islander the performance would be even worse.
In PNG, add 2800 to your PA to get DA. That makes a 9200 ft ridge closer to 12,000DA. By which point most of the 260-300HP twins are not making much height gain, even lightly loaded.
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 06:24
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If it was the same P2-ISM that I flew back in the early 90's it had 300hp FI engines.

Sad news.

I once brought a similar Islander back to Kerema after losing the LH engine in the Hauwabaga circuit area, just when about to turn base (which would have committed me to land.)

With 25/25 set on the remaining engine I certainly could not climb and indeed could not even maintain 5,300' (circuit height HWB) and had to fly the long way round the ranges back to Kerema. The aircraft was empty except for around 75 to 100 kg of coffee beans in bags (and mein Gott but did that smell beautiful!!) and about half tanks of fuel.

From memory, I finally found I could hold just under 4,000' at about 95KIAS.
Mind you, this was 25 years ago.

Edited to add; The Islander I flew in the above mentioned incident was indeed ISM. It was then owned by the Catholic diocese of Kerema,and flown by Simbu Aviation Pilots.

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Old 26th Dec 2017, 21:21
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This is a sad outcome.
Not sure if I have it right but pilot survived initial event only to pass while waiting someone/anyone to stop sitting on their hands.
Understand that SAR may well not exist up there, but even mobilising police/armed forces...
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 22:09
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Most likely weather prevented accessing the site. Cloud. Not anyone "sitting on their hands".
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 01:28
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It is self evident to all pilots in PNG that if they go into the trees in mountainous terrain, and there is plenty of that all over the country, it could be several days until they are found. If at all. And it's not through the lack of rescue options either. They are still finding planes that went missing in WW2, the jungle has a habit of swallowing you up and leaving very little or no sign of your unfortunate visitation. And history also shows, don't expect your ELT beacon to be of much use to the rescue effort.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 05:06
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Terrible news. Even worse knowing that the pilot survived initially only to succumb later.

How do we know for sure that he is deceased if rescuers have not been able to reach him?

Such a tough and unforgiving environment up there... It is hard for those in the Western world to understand just how tough if you haven't experienced it first hand.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 05:50
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AIC confirms pilot death | Loop PNG

Looks like the confirmation came from a team that rappelled in to the site yesterday morning.

RIP
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 08:54
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RIP Wantok.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 11:15
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RIP Tongy. Miss you and will never forget you brother.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 16:19
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Very very sad outcome.
Sadly that can't be changed. The second to last paragraph in the above link that talks about 'no blame' and 'recommendations' whilst world standard you would hope that eventually it brings about a legislated response and prescribed course of action.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 05:43
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so the crash happened on the 23rd . The pilot is injured such that he cant reach his survival gear and now he is dead. How surprising
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 05:49
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I had a total of over 20 plus years in Png . With every opportunity its turned into a disgusting disgrace of a place. Im happily married to a wonderfull png woman with 6 children. i would not urinate on what you call a government if it were on fire .

The bed wetters and the political police will delete this but some will see .... Oh dear
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 05:51
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bar me i dont want a bar of the drop kick nonsense u see from troppo
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 06:00
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Originally Posted by greg47 View Post
I had a total of over 20 plus years in Png . With every opportunity its turned into a disgusting disgrace of a place....
Post 1975 that is. The old timers who remember pre 1975 say it was a lovely place back then.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 23:15
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Very sad state of affairs.

Nothing will be learnt from this..

I would be interested to know the time line or events from when the Islander crashed to the arrival the Pacific Helicopter and repealing Team from PJV.

Guess NCA will be getting another new PAC750 out of it.

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Old 29th Dec 2017, 00:32
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
Post 1975 that is. The old timers who remember pre 1975 say it was a lovely place back then.
Iím sick and tired of reading what a wonderful place PNG was in the good old days. Iím sure it was - but itís not anymore. I did 9 years there and left in disgust. greg47ís post says it all!
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 01:22
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..I would be interested to know the time line or events from when the Islander crashed to the arrival the Pacific Helicopter and repealing Team from PJV.
Sources report a Manolos medevac helicopter in LAE was dispatched 30 minutes after the accident. The cloud base in the area was 6000' and couldn't get to the crash site due weather.
The following day part of the wreckage was briefly sighed through a small break in the cloud but it wasn't possible to get to the crash site so a ground crew was dropped off at 5000' and they made their way on foot through very difficult terrain.
The following day the weather had improved and the Pacific Helicopter was able to deliver rescue personnel by rope where the pilot was found to be deceased. The ground crew dropped off the previous day had not been able to get to the crash site due terrain.
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Old 29th Dec 2017, 05:50
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
Sources report a Manolos medevac helicopter in LAE was dispatched 30 minutes after the accident. The cloud base in the area was 6000' and couldn't get to the crash site due weather.
The following day part of the wreckage was briefly sighed through a small break in the cloud but it wasn't possible to get to the crash site so a ground crew was dropped off at 5000' and they made their way on foot through very difficult terrain.
The following day the weather had improved and the Pacific Helicopter was able to deliver rescue personnel by rope where the pilot was found to be deceased. The ground crew dropped off the previous day had not been able to get to the crash site due terrain.
No wrong. I can assure you they certainly were not there. The only chopper at Nadzab at lunch on Saturday was a blue 406. That departed not long after in the opposite direction towards Watut.
There was talk that it did a run up to the general area on Sunday morning for a wee look. But came back reporting nothing found.

It wasn't until Sunday afternoon that the Hevilift chopper turned up. By which fairly late in the afternoon weather became a factor and they had to defer till Monday morning.

NCA made some runs up to the area Saturday afternoon and located a possible location. They again went up Sunday morning and left a team at the nearest strip to attempt to reach the site by foot. Ultimately they couldn't reach it.

Tuesday morning a Porgera rescue team member rapelled to the wreckage and declared our fellow aviator deceased.

A sad sad few days for PNG aviators.
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