PNG Government aircraft lands on closed runway at Goroka
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PNG Government aircraft lands on closed runway at Goroka
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On 2nd Dec, according to an article in local newspaper a PNG Defence force CASA 235 aircraft landed on a closed runway at Goroka, EHP; apparently the Tower was active at the time.
TV reports suggest the aircraft managed to avoid hitting machinery on the runway whilst conducting a landing in VFR conditions.
One has to ask if the flight crew have been stood down? or whether the forthcoming Xmas holiday will allow enough time for all to be forgotten.
How can this occur in this day and age .......
On 2nd Dec, according to an article in local newspaper a PNG Defence force CASA 235 aircraft landed on a closed runway at Goroka, EHP; apparently the Tower was active at the time.
TV reports suggest the aircraft managed to avoid hitting machinery on the runway whilst conducting a landing in VFR conditions.
One has to ask if the flight crew have been stood down? or whether the forthcoming Xmas holiday will allow enough time for all to be forgotten.
How can this occur in this day and age .......
How can this occur in this day and age ....... [/QUOTE]
We are talking about PNG...............
From what I have seen up there, anything can happen. It is the land of the unexpected!
We are talking about PNG...............
From what I have seen up there, anything can happen. It is the land of the unexpected!
Folks,
I was at Jackson's the day of the inaugural flight of the PNG Government Gliding Club --- we all had a couple of extra greenies or brownies to celebrate the auspicious occasion.
Tootle pip!!
I was at Jackson's the day of the inaugural flight of the PNG Government Gliding Club --- we all had a couple of extra greenies or brownies to celebrate the auspicious occasion.
Tootle pip!!
Don’t worry, I landed a Twin Otter on a closed section of 32L at PY one day. First thing I saw was the cross on the runway in the flare, then I saw people running off the runway!
Learnt that it was important to read NOTAMs in PNG after that day.
Never got sacked, subsequently got a job with an airline up there, got sick of that then joined the gliding club. Not that we had anything to glide in as old P2-CAA was (and still is) languishing in the GFU hangar.
Learnt that it was important to read NOTAMs in PNG after that day.
Never got sacked, subsequently got a job with an airline up there, got sick of that then joined the gliding club. Not that we had anything to glide in as old P2-CAA was (and still is) languishing in the GFU hangar.
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Land of the unexpected my arse. It’s the land of the undisciplined, uneducated, uncaring, unregulated, and unclean.
I always referred to it as the “land of the great nobody gives a f@&k”.
I always referred to it as the “land of the great nobody gives a f@&k”.
-8 Driver,
I take it you didn't enjoy your time there. Many did.
Having also spent some time around "Darkest Africa" (ie just about anywhere but SA), PNG really wasn't too bad, by comparison. Just for starters the likelihood of getting lead poisoning was far less in PNG.
Tootle pip!!
I take it you didn't enjoy your time there. Many did.
Having also spent some time around "Darkest Africa" (ie just about anywhere but SA), PNG really wasn't too bad, by comparison. Just for starters the likelihood of getting lead poisoning was far less in PNG.
Tootle pip!!
PNG is good for some and absolutely bad for others and everything in between.
Lots of good opportunities in PNG for anyone who wants to learn the people, culture, country and politics and stick it out through good and bad times.
Lots of good opportunities in PNG for anyone who wants to learn the people, culture, country and politics and stick it out through good and bad times.
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I was there for 15 years, made life long mates, had some great times and don’t regret a minute. But I don’t think my experience in PNG is mutually exclusive to how DHC describes things and I agree with him.....perfectly possible to have fun in unclean places!
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Don't know why it's called "land of the unexpected" I always called it the "Land of the "expected""..."expect" anything and everything and don't be surprised by anything. Loved every minute of my 8 years up there...
Loved both my time in PNG and Africa. Would now steer clear of SA but loved the rest of it, maybe not so much Angola. Would never go back to PNG as is just too dangerous, unlike the early 80s when a good time was had by most.
A few years ago, the ‘capt’ of the png Gov king Air P2-PNG was ramped in Cairns and found to be without either a valid medical or IPC...these ‘little details’ would barely warrant more than a raised eyebrow over a cold sp in the moresby derro club to anyone who’s been up there any amount of time. It’s all part of the ‘experience’.
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Not my work.. here is the story of that day..
The Port Moresby Gliding Club
A group of young enthusiasts
Met at a local pub
To talk about a common love
The Port Moresby Gliding Club.
Their membership was very low
The running costs were high,
They needed some dramatic act
To catch the public's eye.
"I've got a good idea" said one
"Been planning it all day,
I'll try it out tomorrow
When coming back from Lae."
The flight to Lae was wonderful
The aircraft right on track,
They had no reason to suspect
The drama coming back.
Their business done, they climbed aboard
One had a bulging bilum
The Captain chuckled to himself,
"The last ten miles will thrill 'em".
This trick will have no impact
If I fill her up with fuel,
I'll take enough for top of climb
And glide in from Mount Yule.
They flew along as smooth as silk
With not a single jolt,
But as they got to Galley Reach
Both donks groaned to a halt.
The Captain said "Thank Christ they've stopped
They make a dreadful din,
I'll now complete this exercise
And glide the begger in."
A glider is a lovely thing
You see them everywhere,
Some metal, others wood and glue
But never a KingAir!
With noses flat against the glass
The victims watched in horror,
And none of them had any doubt
They'd all be dead tomorra.
He held her on the centre line
He called the tower and said,
"For Christ's sake make me number one
I'm landing straight ahead."
He put it down right on the keys
and made sure he was clear,
Then smilingly he turned and said,
"I think we need a beer."
The Aero Club looks very nice
Looks like its just been painted,
But there was no-one to answer him
The bloody lot had fainted!
Wes turned and looked him in the eye
He said "Thank Christ that's ended!
It really won't surprise me
If your licence is suspended!
Those passengers we've got on board
Look like they're in a trance,
But now you must excuse me
'Cos I think I've shat my pants!"
When Joe Wal heard it on the 'phone
His hands flew to his head,
His eyes stood out like organ stops
"F#€£ me" was all he said.
But when heard the details
Of this history making flight,
His eyes lit up with interest
And he thought of it all night.
For Joe has always longed to fly
Although it made him dizzy,
But this bloke here could show him how
On days he wasn't busy.
So Joe signed up on the spot
They headed for the pub,
Now Joe's the latest member
Of the Moresby Gliding Club.
Sir Julius picked up his 'phone and heard a voice known far and wide,
"This Grumman that arrives next month
- I wonder how that glides?"
The Port Moresby Gliding Club
A group of young enthusiasts
Met at a local pub
To talk about a common love
The Port Moresby Gliding Club.
Their membership was very low
The running costs were high,
They needed some dramatic act
To catch the public's eye.
"I've got a good idea" said one
"Been planning it all day,
I'll try it out tomorrow
When coming back from Lae."
The flight to Lae was wonderful
The aircraft right on track,
They had no reason to suspect
The drama coming back.
Their business done, they climbed aboard
One had a bulging bilum
The Captain chuckled to himself,
"The last ten miles will thrill 'em".
This trick will have no impact
If I fill her up with fuel,
I'll take enough for top of climb
And glide in from Mount Yule.
They flew along as smooth as silk
With not a single jolt,
But as they got to Galley Reach
Both donks groaned to a halt.
The Captain said "Thank Christ they've stopped
They make a dreadful din,
I'll now complete this exercise
And glide the begger in."
A glider is a lovely thing
You see them everywhere,
Some metal, others wood and glue
But never a KingAir!
With noses flat against the glass
The victims watched in horror,
And none of them had any doubt
They'd all be dead tomorra.
He held her on the centre line
He called the tower and said,
"For Christ's sake make me number one
I'm landing straight ahead."
He put it down right on the keys
and made sure he was clear,
Then smilingly he turned and said,
"I think we need a beer."
The Aero Club looks very nice
Looks like its just been painted,
But there was no-one to answer him
The bloody lot had fainted!
Wes turned and looked him in the eye
He said "Thank Christ that's ended!
It really won't surprise me
If your licence is suspended!
Those passengers we've got on board
Look like they're in a trance,
But now you must excuse me
'Cos I think I've shat my pants!"
When Joe Wal heard it on the 'phone
His hands flew to his head,
His eyes stood out like organ stops
"F#€£ me" was all he said.
But when heard the details
Of this history making flight,
His eyes lit up with interest
And he thought of it all night.
For Joe has always longed to fly
Although it made him dizzy,
But this bloke here could show him how
On days he wasn't busy.
So Joe signed up on the spot
They headed for the pub,
Now Joe's the latest member
Of the Moresby Gliding Club.
Sir Julius picked up his 'phone and heard a voice known far and wide,
"This Grumman that arrives next month
- I wonder how that glides?"
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Nice to see the old Gliding Club poem again....
Not many people know there is the sequel for the GII incident over Queensland. I sent a copy to "Torres" some years ago, I have lost my copy, but it would be nice to see the sequel again....
In regards to the Casa 235 business at Goroka, this has nothing to do with CASA PNG as a regulator. Military do not come under their brief to the best of my knowledge.
The facts as I understand them are:
(1) Landed on a closed runway - NOTAM over or near 12 months
(2) Back tracked on a closed runway
(3) Crossed a closed taxiway
(4) Crossed an active runway without a clearance
I would hope to Commanding Officer has been hung out to dry !
mention was made of the PGB, out of date and the gearbox failure etc ... any truth in the rumour the prop(s) is/were time expired but the C.O told the crew he had the authority to allow the aircraft to fly... Of course rumour only...
I guess these guy's should apply to the Airlines for a job, they would fit in well!
Merry Christmas,
Not many people know there is the sequel for the GII incident over Queensland. I sent a copy to "Torres" some years ago, I have lost my copy, but it would be nice to see the sequel again....
In regards to the Casa 235 business at Goroka, this has nothing to do with CASA PNG as a regulator. Military do not come under their brief to the best of my knowledge.
The facts as I understand them are:
(1) Landed on a closed runway - NOTAM over or near 12 months
(2) Back tracked on a closed runway
(3) Crossed a closed taxiway
(4) Crossed an active runway without a clearance
I would hope to Commanding Officer has been hung out to dry !
mention was made of the PGB, out of date and the gearbox failure etc ... any truth in the rumour the prop(s) is/were time expired but the C.O told the crew he had the authority to allow the aircraft to fly... Of course rumour only...
I guess these guy's should apply to the Airlines for a job, they would fit in well!
Merry Christmas,
A few years ago, the ‘capt’ of the png Gov king Air P2-PNG was ramped in Cairns and found to be without either a valid medical or IPC...these ‘little details’ would barely warrant more than a raised eyebrow over a cold sp in the moresby derro club to anyone who’s been up there any amount of time. It’s all part of the ‘experience’.
However, after a high profile fatal prang when it was revealed one of the pilots didn't have a current medical, and the other had a suspicious medical, the medical standards invigilation was tightened up considerably. After that you actually had to do the medical in the presence of the doctor when he signed the certificate.
And as for the conduct of government business, the PM assured me on at least one occasion he could fix any PNG CAA problems that might arise should it be necessary to apply some operational flexibility to get him where he wanted to go. All it took was a phone call from his people to their people and the problem was fixed. It's just the way it was back then. The PNG way seemed to work well as it relied on the pilot to exercise competent judgement, rather than doing things by the letter of what the rules said should be done. All that started to unravel when some pilots did some dumb things, and the accident investigator actually did some accident investigating. Those days - to some extent - are probably long gone, and rightly so.
Last edited by gulliBell; 22nd Dec 2017 at 02:45.
Well said GB!
Things have tightened up considerably since the good ole days, sadly in a lot of respects however change was and still is required not forgetting that PNG will always be PNG. It only requires a little more thought about time, place and is this really a good idea what I/we are doing at the time, particularly if it may have a negative influence on aviation safety and you have to explain in questioning your reasons for doing what ever you done wrong if you pranged or got caught out.
Things have tightened up considerably since the good ole days, sadly in a lot of respects however change was and still is required not forgetting that PNG will always be PNG. It only requires a little more thought about time, place and is this really a good idea what I/we are doing at the time, particularly if it may have a negative influence on aviation safety and you have to explain in questioning your reasons for doing what ever you done wrong if you pranged or got caught out.
The wheels were still at the Qantas freight terminal on 13 June.
Here is the aircraft on 25 April 1981.
