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Old 16th May 2018, 02:59
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
Could this be correct about Air North?

Also where are the experts who stated that JetGo, which is the thread, have aircraft parked sans engines??
Air North have five E170s registered - ANF, ANV, ANT, ANO and SWO. ANT has not flown since 23rd February but the other four have all flown in the last 24 hours so only ANT could possibly be sans engines. It could also be under repair somewhere although nearly three months does seem a long time to be out of service.

It's unclear to me if some people here are actually talking about JetGo, the subject of the thread, or Air North or somehow alleging that both airlines have financial difficulties.
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Old 16th May 2018, 21:31
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
Also where are the experts who stated that JetGo, which is the thread, have aircraft parked sans engines??
Next time someone is through YBCS, take a photo of the one outside Hawker Pacific. I'm not back there for a couple of weeks.
Also there's one in BNE, but I haven't seen that one personally.
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Old 16th May 2018, 21:58
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On a couple of jets the lawyers are now involved!
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Old 18th May 2018, 23:05
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Originally Posted by "Littlebird" View Post
. Now the newish pilot leaves for Virgin or Qantas as they never intended to be loyal to the company as the company wasn't to them, and the cycle repeats.
It would single % numbers of pilots that would not jump ship for Qantas or Virgin at 6 months or even under 24 months, if type rating was paid by a company. That's what got this experiment started - airline feeders not getting a return on an "investment".

Even with written agreements many pilots moved on to bigger and better within months of completing training - within weeks of passing the training CV's were updated to the airlines, so that seems no intent of compliance with the agreement in writing or not was ever intended.

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Old 18th May 2018, 23:17
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
It would single % numbers of pilots that would not jump ship for Qantas or Virgin at 6 months or even under 24 months, if type rating was paid by a company. That's what got this experiment started - airline feeders not getting a return on an "investment".

Even with written agreements many pilots moved on to bigger and better within months of completing training - within weeks of passing the training CV's were updated to the airlines, so that seems no intent of compliance with the agreement in writing or not.
This is 100% on the money. Pilots are their own worst enemy in this regard. The demise of "handshake agreements" because nobody honours them anymore. If everyone out there had a little bit more integrity then perhaps we wouldn't be subject to salary sacrificing ratings or being sent offshore without pay.
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Old 19th May 2018, 02:00
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One parked up minus engines in Cairns, one parked up minus engines in Brisbane and one parked up with engines in Brisbane over near 14/32 that hasnít moved for weeks. Have seen all three today.
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Old 19th May 2018, 05:04
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Originally Posted by jetlikespeeds View Post
One parked up minus engines in Cairns, one parked up minus engines in Brisbane and one parked up with engines in Brisbane over near 14/32 that hasnít moved for weeks. Have seen all three today.
ouch......
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Old 19th May 2018, 08:38
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Originally Posted by Brakerider View Post
This is 100% on the money. Pilots are their own worst enemy in this regard. The demise of "handshake agreements" because nobody honours them anymore. If everyone out there had a little bit more integrity then perhaps we wouldn't be subject to salary sacrificing ratings or being sent offshore without pay.
A handshake and a look in the eye. Long Gone.
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Old 21st May 2018, 02:53
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another set back, first flight 6 august?
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Old 21st May 2018, 04:06
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Originally Posted by continueapproach737 View Post
another set back, first flight 6 august?
Same old story with this mob.
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Old 21st May 2018, 07:41
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E190

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another set back, first flight 6 august?
Is that the KTA E190 flight?
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Old 21st May 2018, 13:15
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Can they even justify a sole E190? You have major carriers with large scale such as JetBlue and Virgin who have been very vocal about the Embrear, they are incredibly expensive to fix when broken, cost a lot to operate compared to the 737 or A319 and they have either dumped it or in the process of getting rid of it.

Engineering costs to fix one could potentially sink the entire company should one brakedown. This played a large part in Air Australiaís collapse. Small Fleet and extreme maintenance bills. The revenue just wasnít there to pay for it all.

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Old 23rd May 2018, 00:36
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very vocal about the Embrear, they are incredibly expensive to fix when broken, cost a lot to operate compared to the 737 or A319
Have you got any links or evidence of this "very vocal" attitude to Embraer?
My information differs from yours markedly. Virgin decided to remove the Embraer not because of "brakedown" sic issues but because they wanted to reduce the number of aircraft types that they operate. The people I know that flew them said they were good aircraft to operate and pax liked them. In what way do they cost more to operate than a 737 or 319? Given less seats their costs may be higher per RSK but their capital cost is also half of the other types.
You mention two carriers "dumping" the type, so worldwide not really a significant number.
A one aircraft fleet is difficult to sustain admittedly but without seeing the business plan, who knows.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 00:50
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E190 capital costs are not half of 737, in fact they're quite close, per seat they are higher. Fewer lessors deal with regional aircraft, and that reduction in competition adds further to cost structures. Boeing and Airbus offer deep discounts with vastly higher production rates and economies of scale that EMB and Bombardier can only dream of (unless/until they fall under Boeing/Airbus umbrella).

The engine maintenance costs of the E-Jet series has often been publicly cited as a problem by Jetblue, VA and others. The E2 may be a serious weapon in the near future, sharing engine technology with the CSeries and A320neo.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 01:07
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Difficult to get accurate pricing and as you say no one pays list price due to discounting but I understand an E190 is around $48 million and. 737 around $90 million. True that the leasing pool is much smaller for regional jets but there are plenty of airlines adding Embraer's product to their fleet.
Ultimately it does not matter what your seat cost is so long as you can charge enough to cover it and if you have a monopoly route there is less pressure to discount. Whether there are enough to people who want to travel KTA SIN or BNE KTA is much more of an issue than the type of aircraft they plan to use I believe.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 02:20
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agree with Icarus, JetGo have much bigger problems, like filling the aircraft. Noting Silkair are "trialling" 4 Broome flights from SIN, started yesterday and IF there is demand they might make it a regular service. Broome has at least something to market to get people in from Singapore. It's extremely difficult to see how JetGo will even half fill an E190 both ways just relying on KTA pax going on holidays or the business market.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 04:00
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Wind - up application to be heard before NSW Supreme Court 18/06/18. Source: ASIC
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Old 23rd May 2018, 04:37
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Originally Posted by 30/30 Green Light View Post
Wind - up application to be heard before NSW Supreme Court 18/06/18. Source: ASIC
Corporations Act 2001
Paragraph 465A(1)(c)
Regulation 5.4.01A

NOTICE OF APPLICATION FOR WINDING UP ORDER

Company details

Company:Jetgo Australia Holdings Pty LtdACN:141 649 989An application for the winding up of Jetgo Australia Holdings Pty Ltd was commenced by the plaintiff Dubbo Regional Council on 15/05/2018 and will be heard as set out below.

Hearing details

The details of the hearing are:Court:SupremeDistrict/State:New South WalesPlace:Supreme Court of NSW
Law Courts Building
Queens Square, Sydney NSW 2000Date and time:09:00AM, 18 June 2018Action number:2018/00151904Copies of documents filed may be obtained from the plaintiff's address for service.

Plaintiff's details

Plaintiff's address for service:Place:Matthews Folbigg Lawyers
Level 7, 10-14 Smith Street
Parramatta NSW 2150Telephone02) 9806 7490Facsimile02) 9689 3493Any person intending to appear at the hearing must file a notice of appearance in accordance with the rules, together with any affidavit on which the person intends to rely, and serve a copy of the notice and any affidavit on the plaintiff at the plaintiff's address for service at least 3 days before the date fixed for the hearing.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 04:37
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Jetgo Airlines

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Old 23rd May 2018, 05:49
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TW Airport won a judgement too...
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