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Old 8th Dec 2017, 05:54
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Obviously no shortage of pilots then, if that’s the case.
Not quite sure that there is any correlation. Perhaps the union shares the same opinion as you,

I would respectfully suggest your management does not! It is likely well aware of the retirement rate increase and is positioning ahead to control labour unit cost.

As I suggested previously it is disappointing that myopia seems to be the order of the day. My hope is that the Cobham pilots realise the company uses professional and detached negotiators, pilots do it themselves. In such circumstances it is readily apparent which side wins the day.

I would respectfully suggest that many Cobham pilots know exactly the lay of the land and need neither PIA provisions nor a union directive to realise how vulnerable the company position is.
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Whilst I don’t know anything of the individual awards, expecting a $15000 pay rise cause the guys next door are paid more will never happen.

3% is about all anyone gets.

Unless you’re Alan Joyce
What's wrong with comparing your wages to the guy next door. You have to compare it to something. By accepting 3% is all you get is why pilot wages have been eroded so much in this country.

As an example, flight crew at the big US airlines have had significant pay rises in the last few years so it is very possible to get a good deal.
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As an example, flight crew at the big US airlines have had significant pay rises in the last few years so it is very possible to get a good deal.
Yes, however, US pilots had pay & benefits decimated post 911. Labour relations have been much more volatile post deregulation in the US with mergers, bankruptcy
& Chapter 11.

Hero pilot Capt. “Sully” Sullenberger, who landed the US Airways airbus on the Hudson, has a tough message for Congress: Pilots are getting so shafted by their employers that the good ones are leaving to do something else.

Sully, for one, is paid 40% less than he was a few years ago and is maintaining a middle-class existence only because he started a consulting company on the side. Folks on the Hudson flight are no doubt glad he didn’t decide to start consulting full time.

AP: The pilot who safely ditched a jetliner in New York’s Hudson River said Tuesday that pay and benefit cuts are driving experienced pilots from careers in the cockpit.

US Airways pilot Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger told the House aviation subcommittee that his pay has been cut 40 per cent in recent years and his pension has been terminated and replaced with a promise “worth pennies on the dollar” from the federally created Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. These cuts followed a wave of airline bankruptcies after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks compounded by the current recession, he said…

The reduced compensation has placed “pilots and their families in an untenable financial situation,” Sullenberger said. “I do not know a single, professional airline pilot who wants his or her children to follow in their footsteps.”…
Capt. Sullenberger: Stop Cutting Pilot Pay Or Next Plane Will Crash In River
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Yes, however, US pilots had pay & benefits decimated post 911. Labour relations have been much more volatile post deregulation in the US with mergers, bankruptcy
& Chapter 11.

Yep agreed. You could also say that Australian pilots have had their pay and conditions significantly reduced over the years as a result of bankruptcy and new carriers emerging out of the ashes.
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Yep agreed. You could also say that Australian pilots have had their pay and conditions significantly reduced over the years as a result of bankruptcy and new carriers emerging out of the ashes.
It is now apparent across most continents that the model of unlimited supply of qualified pilots is in decline.

The trick now for pilots is to understand that most of the well worn threats date from a time where too many pilots for available jobs was the mantra.
Ask yourself what happens if supply is limited?

If I were an airline knowing what we face locking in a labour unit cost floor by any means would be my target.

If pilots realise the threats although effective in past times have lost their gloss, they may realise once and for all the emperor never had any clothes..
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Not quite sure that there is any correlation. Perhaps the union shares the same opinion as you,

I would respectfully suggest your management does not! It is likely well aware of the retirement rate increase and is positioning ahead to control labour unit cost
If that were true management are just setting themselves up to get whipsawed. Maybe they don’t care because by then they will have quit. Who knows?

They are not stupid, and obviously they think they can undercut their own contractors so the labour has to becoming from somewhere.
There are a lot expat Australian pilots out there, what price will bring them home is a interesting question yet to be answered
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They are not stupid, and obviously they think they can undercut their own contractors so the labour has to becoming from somewhere.
I agree Neville they are not stupid, but I simply cannot see the labour supply. I read the opinion, but factually why is Australia different? The ABS put out whole documents as do Treasury on demographic and supply problems, why would pilots be different? All I would suggest is look at the population profiles across the Western world, concentrate on demographics and you will see an emerging problem: lack of skilled supply. In a global market that is really important. retirement rates at Australian airlines are experiencing the same rise as those abroad. You don't expect management to tell you that now do you?

If i were your IR I would try it on, it worked every time before. spooked pilots convinced of their own vulnerability are already a spent force.. Whether Jetconnect or Network or any other boogie man can actually meet the requirements of crew numbers, standard or schedule is irrelevant, convincing pilots it is on the door step is a frightfully effective technique. Whole empires are funded on it.

To our thinking they are trying it on, it worked before! Perhaps individual contractors withdrawing co-operation may show the emperor has no clothes. Perhaps not, but if one fails to understand the broader macro drivers then Australian exceptionalism may continue to reduce terms and conditions.
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Jesus get some perspective. If you're on the uber gravy train I suspect you are on then you are clearly hard to please.
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