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Old 15th Nov 2017, 05:21
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Better than the rest of us?

Is anyone able to confirm that someone refused to switch his tablet to flight mode on QF 2133 (Canberra to Melbourne) today thereby causing a return to the gate?

If it's true - what is wrong with these people? Flight time just over an hour yet he feels the needs to be online. So many people these days believe that the world revolves around them!
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 05:57
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Why the fuss? the pilots are sitting up there with theirs on.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 06:14
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I am a commuter between Brisbane and Melbourne. In the last 6 months I have noticed a trend for passengers to simply ignore the requests of crew to "switch devices to flight mode" so much so that on four occasions in the last couple of months passengers have initiated or received phone calls on taxi out or, on two occasions, on the take off roll. In each case the crew ignored it despite it being quite obvious who was infringing the policy.

I'm sure it's the same on all carriers, but I find it frustrating that an announcement is made, the majority of passengers ignore it and no-one thinks that it may be necessary to either allow the use of these devices or actually make some effort to ensure compliance with a regulatory requirement.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 06:28
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Why the fuss? the pilots are sitting up there with theirs on.
Last item in the before start checklist before getting the clearance to pushback "PEDs to flight mode". Thats in the airline I work for anyway.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 06:32
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Why the fuss? the pilots are sitting up there with theirs on.
There are eejits everywhere!
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 06:34
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I thought Airnorth was the only one flying Ejets now?
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 06:38
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I've often wondered why CASA don't send FOIs onboard and prosecute a few who don't switch off/flight mode. Would soon get the message across via the media..
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 07:26
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Originally Posted by UnderneathTheRadar View Post
I've often wondered why CASA don't send FOIs onboard and prosecute a few who don't switch off/flight mode. Would soon get the message across via the media..
They'd probably prosecute the crew for not enforcing the use of Flight Mode.
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 07:43
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someone refused to switch his tablet to flight mode on QF 2133 (Canberra to Melbourne) today
Article mentions 'Friday night' without specifying which Friday night.

https://www.3aw.com.au/selfish-ceo-f...-flight-delay/
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 08:36
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
Last item in the before start checklist before getting the clearance to pushback "PEDs to flight mode". Thats in the airline I work for anyway.
And about as regularly obeyed as the 'do not remove headsets until top of climb' regulation from my experience. I recall a certain checky getting a phone call around 500 ft on approach a while ago...
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Old 15th Nov 2017, 20:08
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I was on an Air India (never again) flight once. 2 men were pacing up and down the aisle during the take off using their phones despite repeated requests to sit down by the FA's. There seems to be something in the Indian culture where men will not take instructions from women...
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 04:26
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What is the regulation regarding flight mode?
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 07:33
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn View Post
What is the regulation regarding flight mode?
From the CASA website: https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft/sta...ty-information

Portable electronic devices

Electronic devices

The following information will help to ensure your safety when using electronic devices on the aircraft:
  • Check with your airline to see if and when you can use your electronic device - policies vary by airline
  • Charge your device before you fly
  • Follow the instructions by crew and on-board procedures. The airline has the final say about the type and use of electronic devices allowed on board
  • There may also be restrictions on the use of electronic devices on the tarmac
  • Always follow crew instructions and immediately turn off your device if asked
  • You cannot use mobile phones for voice communications or for mobile telephone functions in-flight
  • Devices must remain in flight mode throughout the flight
  • You may use the WiFi connection on your device if the plane has an installed WiFi system and the airline allows its use
  • Devices weighing more than 1kg such as standard laptops, must be stowed under seats or in the overhead lockers during take-off and landing and as directed by crew to prevent injuries in the event of turbulence or an accident
  • Smaller hand held devices that weigh less than 1kg must also be secured for takeoff, landing and when advised by crew, but airline policy may allow the device to be secured in the seat pocket, garment pocket or in your hands
  • If you lose your phone in flight do not move the seat and contact a crew member immediately
  • Passengers who do not comply with instructions are putting your safety at risk. If you notice unlawful activities you can raise it with the cabin crew and your concerns will be taken seriously.
  • Make Safety Your First Priority.

Put down electronic devices, books and newspapers and listen to the safety briefing.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 15:23
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I was wondering more about an actual reg.

I know that is it is reg if it is in the Ops Manual, but I never remembered seeing a standalone one.
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Old 16th Nov 2017, 21:49
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There seems to be something in the Indian culture where men will not take instructions from women...
And a few other cultures.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 00:17
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn View Post
I was wondering more about an actual reg.

I know that is it is reg if it is in the Ops Manual, but I never remembered seeing a standalone one.
It would be an offense under part 2, division 3 of the Crimes (Aviation) Act 1991 with maximum penalty of 10-20 years depending on the actual charge. It would not be CASA, it would be the AFP.

That is the Australian law enacting the Tokyo Convention and another treaty, it also gives the power to captain to arrest people on flights in Australia, i.e. if someone failed to turn off a PED, return to their seat, smoking onboard etc, the captain could arrest the person and the the passenger would most likely face a court.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 00:38
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Is there here a double-standard? Compare and contrast: a CEO refuses to obey the lawful direction of a crew member by refusing to comply with the law WRT his mobile phone. Aircraft returns to the gate, pax apparently off-loaded and then silence as to whether police called, arrest made, charges laid, pax banned or sanctioned by carrier etc etc. On the other hand a bogan gets drunk, or partially drunk, on an aircraft and misbehaves. Police are called, pax is off-loaded, arrested, charged, convicted and fined etc etc.

To me, the CEO's behaviour is far worse than that of the drunk bogan on a number of grounds yet his treatment would appear to be much more lenient. Why so? Discuss.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 09:11
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Possibly that the probability of violence on board is higher with the bogan than the CEO. Both would be equally capable, but I'd be betting on the drunk bogan to start trouble first.
I agree that the line between the two is somewhat blurred.
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 09:50
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SWH, surpringly the relevant parts of the Tokyo convention must be part of the relevant state and territory crimes act. How the AFP fit into that, I have no idea
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Old 17th Nov 2017, 11:49
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Surely a quick-thinking PA announcement would have solved the problem causing minimal delay.

"Folks, you may have noticed us taxiing back to the terminal. Its all thanks to the selfish ignoramus in seat 3A who is refusing to switch his personal electronic device to flight mode. You might like to share your opinion with him as his refusal to follow CASA regulations will cause you all personally at least a 20 min delay at your destination. Whilst we would never condone physical assault, common [email protected] courtesy IS our number one priority."

Quickly followed by "Thank you for your prompt cooperation, would seat rows 4 to 20 please return to their seats, ensure their seatbelts are fastened, and pick up any errant PED parts on the way."
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