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Old 24th Aug 2017, 23:04
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Qantas Results and Project Sunrise

$1.4b profit this year.


Somehow the Frequent Flyer program makes more money than all of International.


The best news in there being another bonus. Will we have to have another 18 month pay freeze to get it?


https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...ancial-result/



The gauntlet has also been put down, Airbus and Boeing have 5 years to come up with a plane that'll be able to do London, Paris, New York and Rio. Qantas will then consider whether that aircraft suits their needs.


https://twitter.com/Qantas/status/900848131008413696

SYD LHR 9,188 nm
SYD JFK 8,647 nm
SYD GIG 7,312 nm


GIG would be doable with the 789 but the map looks a little empty without that fourth dot.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 00:42
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vs. that other 'not for profit' organisation VA!
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Charging full service airline prices for quasi LCC service can make you big dollars.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 01:26
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Charging full service airline prices for quasi LCC service can make you big dollars.
Only when you have no competition or your competition is completely inept
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 02:43
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The gauntlet has also been put down, Airbus and Boeing have 5 years to come up with a plane that'll be able to do London, Paris, New York and Rio. Qantas will then consider whether that aircraft suits their needs.
Well, that will get them fired up spending billions on developing a new airliner so they can sell....12 airframes?
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The gauntlet has also been put down, Airbus and Boeing have 5 years to come up with a plane that'll be able to do London, Paris, New York and Rio. Qantas will then consider whether that aircraft suits their needs.
Both Boeing and Airbus will be holding high level crisis meetings as we type. They both know that QF would not be afraid to go to an all Embraer fleet should their demands not be met.
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Damn FL, you beat me.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 03:44
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Well, actually, you might consider that the order might ORIGINATE with the requirement for a smallish order of ULR airframes to do East Coast Aus direct Europe / East Coast USA.

The company that achieves it would most likely be the winner of a larger order that INCLUDES a 350-400 seater to replace the 747/380 into the future. So a desire for 12 aircraft might turn into an order for 20 to 30.
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Wow-after an initial -maybe-dozen a WHOLE extra 10-20 airframes-I am sure that AB and Boeing will have their R&D teams burning through the overtime. The B77L can easily accomplish SYD-GIG BTW. Having spent 17:30hrs in the tube on a number of occasions that flight time-let alone longer-is pure masochism in Y-its not nice in F, J or the Crew Rest.
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Hopefully the QF vs VA results are causing a little indigestion amongst the villages at the Friday afternoon barbeque.
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Wow-after an initial -maybe-dozen a WHOLE extra 10-20 airframes-I am sure that AB and Boeing will have their R&D teams burning through the overtime. The B77L can easily accomplish SYD-GIG BTW. Having spent 17:30hrs in the tube on a number of occasions that flight time-let alone longer-is pure masochism in Y-its not nice in F, J or the Crew Rest.
It could potentially outsell the 380 with such a large initial order
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While I agree it is laughable, Boeing have done it in the past. 707-138B ring a bell?

Whether they'd do it now though, is questionable.

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It's been done before, think B747-400ER. Only 6 were ever made for Qantas to allow more reliable LAX-MEL ops. Involved an Aux fuel tank and bigger landing gear with a subsequent increase in MTOW.

I reckon we'll see a similar mod made to the 777-8 or-9. Not a new type altogether.
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It's been done before, think B747-400ER. Only 6 were ever made for Qantas to allow more reliable LAX-MEL ops. Involved an Aux fuel tank and bigger landing gear with a subsequent increase in MTOW.

I reckon we'll see a similar mod made to the 777-8 or-9. Not a new type altogether.
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Much laughing and carry on was done when Boeing launched the 747-SP for trans pacific ops. Every one said it would never work long term. I think they got that wrong.

I believe it is inevitable that YSSY - LHR non stop will be the norm.

So the question is, how much of an efficiency improvement will they need to make Sydney to London direct on an 8x airframe.....and later a 9x airframe for the 777. Can the 777x generation of engines be incrementally improved enough to do that, or will it need a new generation of engine. The aim is not to have to reduce revenue payload to fit in underfloor tanks in the hold.
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Wow-after an initial -maybe-dozen a WHOLE extra 10-20 airframes-I am sure that AB and Boeing will have their R&D teams burning through the overtime.
Yeah, neither of them would be interested in relatively minor tweaks (an Aux tank and strengthened gear may be all that is necessary...) in Airframes already ALMOST capable of doing what is being requested, in order to potentially win a contract for 20-30 or more aircraft, that could be worth around $10 Billion plus at list prices... not to mention the ability to sell more of their products, have an ongoing relationship for the next couple of decades, add to their product offering for other carriers, etc, etc, etc.

Why on earth would they bother?


It's been done before, think B747-400ER. Only 6 were ever made for Qantas to allow more reliable LAX-MEL ops. Involved an Aux fuel tank and bigger landing gear with a subsequent increase in MTOW
Did some of that development not then go into the Freighter model, which didn't sell too badly I thought?
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Where the hell's GIG? Gigraltar??
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Mr Joyce said...: “We believe advances in technology....."
Three Fokker F100 aircraft joined the Qantas Domestic fleet in the first half of the year
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You'll need a Blended Wing Body with a coupla GE90+++ to do that sort of payload/range Alan.
Boeing could do it - if they got off their arse.
Tubes and wings are so 20th century.
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Come on big guy...

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