Terrorist plot thwarted?
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I know of an FO who was nearly crash tackled at a regional airport for talking to a child on the other side of the fence during a walk around. He got dragged outside of the terminal and back through security. Yet those throwing the bags on the other end of the plane just walk straight out.
It's all a show, much like I suspect this "raid" will turn out to be.
It's all a show, much like I suspect this "raid" will turn out to be.
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Like you though, I'd be surprised if things didn't change on the whole FOR EVERYONE, not just the pilots' <perceived> "subordinates".
I mean, the government just dropped a bit of coin and made changes on/to the security portfolio. It was only a matter of time...
The situation at the moment is that cleaners, caterers, engineers etc have not been found to have contributed to any incidents, however, tech crew, passengers, and checked baggage have, so guess where the focus is.
Hi Mr 'T',
But, caterers and cleaners have been involved in various smuggling activities - we've seen that on the TV docos - presumably for the $$'s, so if we substitute 'other activities' for the $$'s, what do you reckon your chances are of finding someone 'sympathetic to the cause' who will comply...??
Cheers, but NO cheers for 'the cause'...
But, caterers and cleaners have been involved in various smuggling activities - we've seen that on the TV docos - presumably for the $$'s, so if we substitute 'other activities' for the $$'s, what do you reckon your chances are of finding someone 'sympathetic to the cause' who will comply...??
Cheers, but NO cheers for 'the cause'...
Ancillary workers and baggage handlers have strong unions so therefore are much harder for the government to push around. Also if there is a Labor Government in power those groups have ministers who are sympathetic to their cause.
Pilots on the other hand are very much an easy soft political target. Just look at the unchallenged ridiculous statements being made at the those Senate Inquiries a few years back.
Pilots on the other hand are very much an easy soft political target. Just look at the unchallenged ridiculous statements being made at the those Senate Inquiries a few years back.
QFcrew:
Have you any idea of the cost and complexity of mandating such a process? Obviously not.
Furthermore, such a mandate would give governments absolute intrusive powers that you can be sure will be abused. For example, having to disclose the details of the family black sheep, your former marriages and the details of associates that have no relation to your primary daily task.
i have experience of this absurd crap. i have a nephew with a criminal record and another pair of relatives in let us say, the judiciary. None of us are even allowed to talk to this kid, let alone try and assist his rehabilitation, thanks to goddamned criminal association reporting requirements for the judiciary, which can see them lose their jobs for associating with criminals. is that the sort of rubbish you want to visit on pilots? everyone has stuff they do not wish to air and do not and should not be forced to reveal it unless it is directly relevant to their daily employment.
furthermore, such a regime by definition, would apply to a lot more jobs than mere pilots.
ASIC is basically just a criminal record check. The AGSVA process looks into your allegiances, associates etc and you have to be an Australian citizen to go through it.
Furthermore, such a mandate would give governments absolute intrusive powers that you can be sure will be abused. For example, having to disclose the details of the family black sheep, your former marriages and the details of associates that have no relation to your primary daily task.
i have experience of this absurd crap. i have a nephew with a criminal record and another pair of relatives in let us say, the judiciary. None of us are even allowed to talk to this kid, let alone try and assist his rehabilitation, thanks to goddamned criminal association reporting requirements for the judiciary, which can see them lose their jobs for associating with criminals. is that the sort of rubbish you want to visit on pilots? everyone has stuff they do not wish to air and do not and should not be forced to reveal it unless it is directly relevant to their daily employment.
furthermore, such a regime by definition, would apply to a lot more jobs than mere pilots.
Sorry, I was a little too precise, the regs just say "crew", however the pax are far more at risk from the flight crew. One could argue that the fact that screening occurs causes the aberrant pilot to resort to other means ie locking other pilot out of the cockpit, rather than using a weapon carried on board to incapacitate or eliminate the other pilot.
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No one in the media or government seem to realise that this action has now created choke points where crowds are amassed in the terminal prior to being screened. If you wanted to give terrorists a target of opportunity then the authorities couldn't do better than this. If yer average terry wrist was smarter than they normally are, I'd say that this was well orchestrated.
If yer average terry wrist was smarter than they normally are, I'd say that this was well orchestrated.
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Why haven't air crew lobbied for a similiar system to the US known crewmember? Coming to pprune to complain that other low risk airport workers don't get xrayed doesn't help anyone. The checks in place are sufficient to mitigate the specific threats that ground staff pose.
Sydney Airport would be in a lot of trouble if ASICs were only given to Australian citizens with no nefarious connections.
Sydney Airport would be in a lot of trouble if ASICs were only given to Australian citizens with no nefarious connections.
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If they were actually fair dinkum why would you waste your time trying to attack aircraft/airports? It totally illogical given the number of soft targets out there.
Explosive screening involving dogs and cops should occur well before anyone enters the terminal, in a quarantined area (car park) before being bussed to the terminal. Similarly people arriving by train should be sniffed before entering the terminal. Thereby reducing access to crowds and infrastructure.
No terrorist seeks to blow up a carpark.
Sorry, I was a little too precise, the regs just say "crew", however the pax are far more at risk from the flight crew. One could argue that the fact that screening occurs causes the aberrant pilot to resort to other means ie locking other pilot out of the cockpit, rather than using a weapon carried on board to incapacitate or eliminate the other pilot.
The only security against flight crew is to make sure they are legitimate. The rest of the crew do this by default.
Rummaging through Flight Crew's bags looking for weapons whilst not giving a second glance at their ASIC is a sure sign of a bureaucracy gone mad!
The only security against flight crew is to make sure they are legitimate.
Everyone knows a pilot can easily kamikaze an aircraft, including CASA.
If pilots could waltz through security and get airside without being scanned, that is a very obvious hole in the system that could easily be exploited. Either the pilot carries the weapon knowingly through security before passing it on an accomplice who was scanned already and came up clean (thus allowing an atrocity to take place without having to kill oneself), or some enterprising terrorists sneak the necessary pieces into the flight bag etc and get them out again once airside - distract and switch with a similar roller bag, whatever.
I mean it's far fetched but not that far fetched.
If pilots could waltz through security and get airside without being scanned, that is a very obvious hole in the system that could easily be exploited. Either the pilot carries the weapon knowingly through security before passing it on an accomplice who was scanned already and came up clean (thus allowing an atrocity to take place without having to kill oneself), or some enterprising terrorists sneak the necessary pieces into the flight bag etc and get them out again once airside - distract and switch with a similar roller bag, whatever.
I mean it's far fetched but not that far fetched.
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See the attached news report, look closely you will see the carriers logo.
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Doesn't matter really. I expect the same affect if the act were planned for another service provider. Good work by security services.
One thing that the 104 page report neglects to take in to account is the vigilance maintained by the RESPONSIBLE personnel on the other side of the fence.
Hell, i can barely scratch my arse these days without someone asking why.
One thing that the 104 page report neglects to take in to account is the vigilance maintained by the RESPONSIBLE personnel on the other side of the fence.
Hell, i can barely scratch my arse these days without someone asking why.
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