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Life at Qantas and Jetstar

Old 11th Jul 2017, 23:02
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Life at Qantas and Jetstar

Hi all,
I'm curious to find out what conditions are like at each of the above companies: ie, what a new hire could realistically expect in terms of rosters, take home pay, progression etc, for a Qantas SO and an Australian based Jetstar FO.
Most of the information I've found on the forum is sufficiently outdated to warrant posing the question again.
Thanks in advance.
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Old 12th Jul 2017, 13:59
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Good Lord...
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Old 12th Jul 2017, 14:33
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Clearly school holidays arn't over just yet.
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Old 12th Jul 2017, 18:31
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Could it be that the recent survey results are pretty bad and one of "Livvie's Angels" has been given the job of finding out why?
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Old 12th Jul 2017, 22:41
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I was hoping for some more mature responses - perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered thanks in advance.
As someone who values lifestyle over money and does not have shiny jet syndrome, I am trying to evaluate which will better suit my own personal circumstances. The main thing I have not been able to gain a clear picture of is how much time is spent away vs at home in mainline.
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Old 12th Jul 2017, 22:45
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With both companies you will be given a pineapple, only difference is due to Qantas better EBA they will supply lube.
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Old 12th Jul 2017, 23:01
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There is another way to fly for the flying kangaroo Guest123. You could apply for Cobham and have the ultimate lifestyle job with all the bells a whistles of flying a jet, but none of the big airline hassles. Win win!


Enjoy the journey.
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Old 12th Jul 2017, 23:35
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Thanks Blitzrieger, I know a few guys there who are happy. I'm just keen to move away from working on contracts and lock in some long term job security.
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 00:05
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There are worse jobs than both of these two - even airline jobs! You'll fly with (mostly) good blokes and blokettes at both and given the training program in place at Qantas could reasonably expect to progress considerably quicker than in the past 10 or 15 years.

As I've mentioned here before, most Qantas pilots are incredibly loyal to the brand but don't have much time for the management; hence some of the, perhaps justifiable comments above.

A friend of mine left corporate flying because he "wanted a roster" despite taking a pay cut. It's a given that you'll probably get the 'less desirable' trips as junior S/O or F/O, but at least you'll know when you're doing them - most of the time!

Take-home pay will vary depending upon your base and fleet but the awards are out there online somewhere and, at Qantas at least, you can expect to work reasonably hard for the next few years at least - assuming world events don't intervene.
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 00:47
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From your initial post no one could tell whether you are currently flying, a high school wannabe or a company troll so get rid of the attitude and establish your bonafides if you want to be treated seriously. If you are serious about getting off contract work then why limit yourself to QF or JQ?
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 01:01
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Hoping for mature responses when you've just joined PPRuNe 5 minutes ago was optimistic.

The information that was stale on here is probably because QF haven't recruited since 2008. Obtaining a job at either company is difficult and the way you've written that question is the reason you got the responses you did. It basically assumes you could get either job in a heartbeat. But I'll bite...

QF - no one that even works for them currently would have any idea of what progression will look like until the dust settles. There's a reason there is 52 pages on the prune about QF recruitment - it's because a LOT of people want to work for them.

JQ - 5-6 days a week, 4 sector days, no overnights, circa 180k if you do work days off etc. (anyone from JQ feel free to jump in here). I jumpseated with a Captain who was heading back to the mothership that said he couldn't have worked with a better bunch of people.

Both EBA's are available on fairwork.

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Old 13th Jul 2017, 07:03
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie View Post
There's guys who have been an SO for 16 years on the 74, not senior enough for a widebody FO slot.
Rubbish. Anyone with 16 years' seniority is senior enough for a widebody FO slot. Even on the east coast.
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 07:08
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If your a young bloke go to the USA , find a wife and work for United Or Delta , still excellent conditions, faster progression and a nice House for less than $200K, and if your in to cars , as many as your garage can fit!
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 07:09
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Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher View Post
Rubbish. Anyone who's joined within the last 16 years is senior enough for a widebody FO slot. Even on the east coast.
Removed my comment, was told that second hand. You can see the point I was trying to make. I'll get back in my box now
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 09:03
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Originally Posted by Bug Smasher Smasher View Post
Rubbish. Anyone with 16 years' seniority is senior enough for a widebody FO slot. Even on the east coast.
FO 330 SYD is 15 years, so he was close.

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Old 13th Jul 2017, 09:42
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 10:01
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At Jetstar things are great to be honest, the exceptions to this rule are slow progress to command and rostering although there is certainly plenty of opportunity for the latter to improve with a little good will form the company.

Having said that, if you have a choice, you'd be crazy not to shoot for Qantas because the money is certainly going to be better and in any other respect you'll be at least better off. Additionally, quicker time to command based upon both planned retirements and expansion. Greater fleet options and lifestyle choices too albeit at Jetstar if you want to be home most nights, that's still an option, for now. That might be a little more tricky at QF although perhaps not impossible.
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 11:41
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Life at Qantas and Jetstar. Now there's an oxymoron!
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 13:49
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Originally Posted by dehg5776 View Post
Is it possible to start in Qantas as an FO, or are all new starters SO's?
All new starters are S/Os. That said, one new S/O hadn't even finished his induction week and his name was published against a PER 737 F/O slot. So if you're prepared to move you can expect a 737 F/O slot within a very short period of time- particularly with more 787 slots to be adversied shortly.
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Old 13th Jul 2017, 19:50
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To add a little more insight to life at JQ, my roster lately has been 3-4 days on with 2-3 days off. Roughly a 50/50 split between 2 sector and 4 sector days. The guys that want overnights get them (Bali trips, Singapore trips, and New Zealand overnights) while those that don't want them generally don't get them. The big downside to working a JQ is back of the clock returns. Some of these are becoming overnights, such as Audkland Rarotonga and Melbourne Wellington before that route was dropped but the Perth and Darwin BOC returns are killers and seem unlikely to become overnights in the near future.
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