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BNE fog this evening.

Old 7th Jul 2017, 10:45
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BNE fog this evening.

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Will the Brisbane Airports chief front the media tomorrow morning and say something along the lines " gee the fog was thick! " ( like the last time Brisbane had fog) and avoid the real question about why the airport body continually fails to provide facilities when such conditions exist in Brisbane.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 11:50
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 11:57
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Stop banging your head hotnhigh. It will do you no good!
Besides, who cares?
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 12:22
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Who Cares??

Well the question remains why does Australia have such expensive airports to use yet do not even have all weather capability. Given that many 3rd World countries have better aviation infrastructure than we do why do we pay so much?

Money aside it is also a serious safety issue. What are they waiting for? An accident followed by an ATSB crash investigation suggetion they should install technology that was available in the 1960s?

The problem is that the airlines wear all the cost of the airports lack of facilities so there is no incentive to upgrade.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 12:29
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Yea, cause BNE has thick fog in the early evenings sooo often.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 12:42
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Yea, cause BNE has thick fog in the early evenings sooo often.
Well if thats the case then airports can compensate the airlines because it never happens apparantly. One little incident like this will change their thinking very rapidly!!
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 13:24
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YPPH will be CAT 3 soon they don't have fog hardly ever either
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 13:58
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Enjoyed the banter on the tower frequency all the same

On a more serious note the lack of nearby alternates is a bit concerning, CG filled up pretty quick with the China Airlines heavy having to wait on the taxiway with nowhere else nearby to go. Wellcamp was fogged in as well even if you were thinking of using it. Emirates A380 had to go to Melbourne. I think Sunshine Coast and Hervey Bay filled up as well.

End result we saw a Virgin make two approaches and a few orbits before going straight to Rocky, can you track via SU "no we require direct RK due fuel"

Yes this is the first time in many people's memory that Brisbane has fogged over at night but we do get it in the mornings from time to time and its the same story, lots of internationals looking for somewhere to divert. A bit of a joke really.

I do recall a year or two back a Qantas 747 had to divert from BNE due to the usual morning fog getting the better of our state-of-the-art CAT I approaches, ironically they diverted to Gold Coast which doesn't even have an ILS
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 14:34
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I do recall a year or two back a Qantas 747 had to divert from BNE due to the usual morning fog getting the better of our state-of-the-art CAT I approaches, ironically they diverted to Gold Coast which doesn't even have an ILS
Hardly ironic. Just indicates that the fog in SE Queensland is isolated.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 15:10
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Yeah pretty unusual for that time of night. Seems quite clear now eh
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 19:42
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Your right capt fathom. Why worry. It's only 2016 and the airport has its priorities right in charging $25 for the first hour when you park the car, theres plenty of room for crispy Kreme to expand and the second runway will be available in the next decade. Think of the shareholders dilemas for god sake.
Why have the facilities, that were first developed in the 1960s, available to airlines in Brisbane today?
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 19:48
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Have dealt with quite a few Airports in Australia on this one. None want to if they can get away with it due to the cost. Adelaide is the same as Brisbane. It has a couple more days a year of Fog and has had a couple of high profile Fog related incidents but still has nothing better than CAT I. (Which doesn't stop some airlines going all the way to rollout if you have ever sat at the threshold on a murky day).
Even Perth was not keen to spend the money but as a remote airfield in effect for wide bodies there was no choice.
For an Airport Car parks are pure revenue and ILS's are pure cost. Avoid them as much as possible and hope RNP AR CAT III comes quickly.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 20:57
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Well, we might have 3rd World CAT 1 ILS but I noticed we now have 'Transgender' toilets in the Qantas Terminal. Dying to have a peek inside but not sure of the qualifications for entry.
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 22:45
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Always thought the aircraft got in the way of the car parks and shops.

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Old 7th Jul 2017, 23:32
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Had those two 737s crashed at Mildura, you can bet Australia's capital cities would all now have cat 3. It was just a miracle they both landed safely.

This is how we do business in Australia - ignore a known problem until something big goes wrong, conduct an inquiry at huge expense, everyone scurries to the cracks like cockroaches in the hope of avoiding any liability, report gets released, then we implement a cheap, half arsed, slow solution - not to fix the problem, but to avoid future liability if it happens again.

This (no expenditure in safety infrastructure) is what happens when you privatise airports. Reap/sow.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 00:43
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Funny, don't remember too many Government provided Cat III ILS's being sold off with the airports when they were privatised. Obviously bad weather only started to happen after the cheques were cashed.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 00:48
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The privatisation comment does not relate to Cat 3.

It relates to the fact that we now have close to triple the air traffic, and the same or less infrastructure. With an increase in air travel should come an equal investment in facilities.

Ask YBBN airport if they'd prefer to build a Cat 3 ILS or more shops inside the terminal.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 01:23
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Ask yourself why the majority of viewers of this thread don't have central heating, or double glazing in their homes. Its simply because for most of the year it's not needed.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 01:28
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But it's not going affect my safety if I don't have central heating or double glazing.

Does anyone know the capital cost of Cat.III?
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