What's everyone waiting for?
I get paid slightly more here as a 3rd year 75/76 FO than I did at the top 73 level at VA but pay 60% less taxes and support family of 3 on one salary, very comfortably. Your pay goes far further here than it ever would in Oz. Do find myself missing the lifestyle of a DINK in Sydney though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ure_per_capita
In Australia we pay an average of $4400 per year per person on taxes for Medicare, private insurance and out of pocket expenses. In the United States that goes up to $9500 per person. For a system with worse outcomes.
Yeah we do pay more in tax (slightly) but we get a lot more for those taxes with our dollar.
I guess if you prefer to spend for those basic public services via your own money then the USA is the way to go. However I much prefer our way of living (even if it's considered "socialist" in the USA).
One other point, annual leave at one major US regional was one week per year, increasing up to a maximum of 4 weeks after 14 years employment as opposed to 6 weeks straight away here. And lower sick leave.
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You may pay less in taxes, but don't you then have to pay a much higher price overall for basic things like healthcare, education and basic public services? For example healthcare:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ure_per_capita
In Australia we pay an average of $4400 per year per person on taxes for Medicare, private insurance and out of pocket expenses. In the United States that goes up to $9500 per person. For a system with worse outcomes.
Yeah we do pay more in tax (slightly) but we get a lot more for those taxes with our dollar.
I guess if you prefer to spend for those basic public services via your own money then the USA is the way to go. However I much prefer our way of living (even if it's considered "socialist" in the USA).
One other point, annual leave at one major US regional was one week per year, increasing up to a maximum of 4 weeks after 14 years employment as opposed to 6 weeks straight away here. And lower sick leave.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ure_per_capita
In Australia we pay an average of $4400 per year per person on taxes for Medicare, private insurance and out of pocket expenses. In the United States that goes up to $9500 per person. For a system with worse outcomes.
Yeah we do pay more in tax (slightly) but we get a lot more for those taxes with our dollar.
I guess if you prefer to spend for those basic public services via your own money then the USA is the way to go. However I much prefer our way of living (even if it's considered "socialist" in the USA).
One other point, annual leave at one major US regional was one week per year, increasing up to a maximum of 4 weeks after 14 years employment as opposed to 6 weeks straight away here. And lower sick leave.
You say that Australians pay "slightly" more taxes and that we get more for those taxes. Exactly how would you know? Have you actually lived in the US? All I can tell is that my wife and I paid AU$475000 on taxes and rent in the 5 years we lived in Sydney. I tell that to guys I work with who are earning $220k-$350k a year here and they're speechless. As I said, I pay 60% less tax on the same amount. That's more than slightly less to me.
The leave thing depends on who you work for. Contractually, I now get 14 days after 2 years BUT I can turn that into 4 weeks just by tweaking how I bid for my roster.
Look, i understand the quality of life you can have in Australia but it is becoming increasingly more expensive and unaffordable. If you have a family and one income, you'll eventually have to move to the boonies to afford living in NSW.
so Kenny you are always on a E3 visa?
or can you apply for citizenship like the the 457's here in AUS.
As an expat I'd always be concerned about the risk of a visa non renewal - or layoffs - gets very $$$ moving a family.
or can you apply for citizenship like the the 457's here in AUS.
As an expat I'd always be concerned about the risk of a visa non renewal - or layoffs - gets very $$$ moving a family.
Americans pick on Canadians ? I didn't know that. I rescued a refugee from The Maritimes 40 years ago and have not picked on her one time !! Once she figured out the indoor plumbing, she fit in rather nicely. Of course, I had to buy her a pair of shoes so she didn't come to our wedding barefoot.
On a serious note, a regional job will serve the same function for an Aussie that it does an American: steppingstone...just passin' through on the way to bigger and better.
Nope...I paid around $440 a month for healthcare insurance in Australia. My wife and I were planning to start a family, so we had the family plan. Here, I do pay about $100 more a month but it includes everything, including 2 pairs of glasses a year. I have progressives so that's around $1000 a pop I don't have to pay.
You say that Australians pay "slightly" more taxes and that we get more for those taxes. Exactly how would you know? Have you actually lived in the US? All I can tell is that my wife and I paid AU$475000 on taxes and rent in the 5 years we lived in Sydney. I tell that to guys I work with who are earning $220k-$350k a year here and they're speechless. As I said, I pay 60% less tax on the same amount. That's more than slightly less to me.
The leave thing depends on who you work for. Contractually, I now get 14 days after 2 years BUT I can turn that into 4 weeks just by tweaking how I bid for my roster.
Look, i understand the quality of life you can have in Australia but it is becoming increasingly more expensive and unaffordable. If you have a family and one income, you'll eventually have to move to the boonies to afford living in NSW.
You say that Australians pay "slightly" more taxes and that we get more for those taxes. Exactly how would you know? Have you actually lived in the US? All I can tell is that my wife and I paid AU$475000 on taxes and rent in the 5 years we lived in Sydney. I tell that to guys I work with who are earning $220k-$350k a year here and they're speechless. As I said, I pay 60% less tax on the same amount. That's more than slightly less to me.
The leave thing depends on who you work for. Contractually, I now get 14 days after 2 years BUT I can turn that into 4 weeks just by tweaking how I bid for my roster.
Look, i understand the quality of life you can have in Australia but it is becoming increasingly more expensive and unaffordable. If you have a family and one income, you'll eventually have to move to the boonies to afford living in NSW.
Like everything in life, it's all about pro's and con's. And it's very much a personal decision. I've found over the last 40 something years of living the expat life, that nowhere is perfect. There's always a trade off. Australia.....good beer, weather, schools and I don't have to repeat myself because most understand me but you pay over the odds for it. The US.....cheap cost of living, cars, food, electricity, heating, etc, etc but my son will have a yank accent and I sometimes feel like I'm talking some alien form of English.
If, you're young a single, what have you got to lose? Have an adventure, see another side of life and aviation and go back if it's not for you.
I can't speak for the E3 visa; While never part of the master plan, I married a local and have had a Green Card/Permanent residency for about 15 years.
Like everything in life, it's all about pro's and con's. And it's very much a personal decision. I've found over the last 40 something years of living the expat life, that nowhere is perfect. There's always a trade off. Australia.....good beer, weather, schools and I don't have to repeat myself because most understand me but you pay over the odds for it. The US.....cheap cost of living, cars, food, electricity, heating, etc, etc but my son will have a yank accent and I sometimes feel like I'm talking some alien form of English.
If, you're young a single, what have you got to lose? Have an adventure, see another side of life and aviation and go back if it's not for you.
Like everything in life, it's all about pro's and con's. And it's very much a personal decision. I've found over the last 40 something years of living the expat life, that nowhere is perfect. There's always a trade off. Australia.....good beer, weather, schools and I don't have to repeat myself because most understand me but you pay over the odds for it. The US.....cheap cost of living, cars, food, electricity, heating, etc, etc but my son will have a yank accent and I sometimes feel like I'm talking some alien form of English.
If, you're young a single, what have you got to lose? Have an adventure, see another side of life and aviation and go back if it's not for you.
Applications to the legacy Carriers only ask if you have the legal right to live and work in the US. Now as far as I'm aware, this E3 visa allows you to apply for Permanent residency, i.e., a Green Card. I don't know at which point you can apply (the H1B visa allows you to apply for your GC as soon as you get the visa) but you used to be issued a temporary residency permit until your GC is issued, which covers the legal right to live and work part of an application.
In other words...yes. As long as you have or are applying for a green card.
In other words...yes. As long as you have or are applying for a green card.
Applications to the legacy Carriers only ask if you have the legal right to live and work in the US. Now as far as I'm aware, this E3 visa allows you to apply for Permanent residency, i.e., a Green Card. I don't know at which point you can apply (the H1B visa allows you to apply for your GC as soon as you get the visa) but you used to be issued a temporary residency permit until your GC is issued, which covers the legal right to live and work part of an application.
In other words...yes. As long as you have or are applying for a green card.
In other words...yes. As long as you have or are applying for a green card.
There's some debate whether a wholly owned regional with a flow to mainline will allow an E3 to flow to mainline, the contract language at the AA wholly owned regionals don't really specific one way or another. Though I would bet money ALPA will jump on it and not allow an E3 visa holder to flow through.
As for applying off the street no legacy carriers are supporting E3 visas as there's absolutely no reason to with the abundant supply of suitably qualified regional/military/corporate applicants
Thanks Havick, Confirms my suspicions about E3 / flow thru to mainline and citizenship.
What a great opportunity for girls and guys commencing a career.
If only this was a viable option back in the 90's.
My own experience as an expat in the 3rd world opened my eyes to all the EA benefits, I previously took for granted with oz operators.
What a great opportunity for girls and guys commencing a career.
If only this was a viable option back in the 90's.
My own experience as an expat in the 3rd world opened my eyes to all the EA benefits, I previously took for granted with oz operators.
You definitely need one or the other, and the job must be a specialty occupation ... hence the reason for the visa. If you didn't need 12 years experience or a degree, what's stopping carpenters and truck drivers and toilet cleaners from coming across on the E3 ?
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You answered your own question, carpenters, truck drivers and toilet cleaners are not classified as a specialty occupation. Those of us who have completed the process know better. I didn't need the degree or the 12 years experience and I was approved easily for the E3.
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I mentioned this on another thread, but Mesa Pilots used to carry pieces of plywood around with them, because the company didn't provide them with hotels on overnights. They used them to span the seats across aisle so that they could sleep on the plane. This is no longer the practice at Mesa, but it kinda gives some insight into what kind of company it is. Take a look at Mesa's pay scale, and don't be fooled by their claims. They include per diem in their Total pay. No, that's not pay, and $36 a day is going to disappear pretty quickly eating 3 meals a day on the road. Better than not having per-diem, I suppose, but it's a pretty low per diem rate. First year pay on the CRJ (majority of hte fleet) is going ot be about 50K USD, which doesn’t sound too bad, but it includes a "signing bonus of 22,100, which doesn't repeat. Second year pay, including base and 2n'd year "retention bonus" is 34,448 USD, which isn't too good. Third year would be 39,184 usd, but after the third year, the retention bonus goes away. if you remain an FO, your salary will be 31K USD. Ideally you would have upgraded by that point, but even if you do, your salary as a captain on the CRJ700 would be 57K USD. That's not real good for a captain of anything.
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"U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, 8 CFR 214.2(h)(4)(iii)(D), describes the kind and amount of experience which can be used to establish the equivalency of a university degree. As a guide, three years of professional experience may generally be used as a substitute for each year of university-level education. This means you would need to show 12 years' experience in the field you are applying to work in. During their visa interviews, applicants for U.S. work visas should be prepared to provide documentation outlining their work history, education, and training. A consular officer will determine whether the educational and employment information provided meets the eligibility requirements for a U.S. visa."
I'm sitting here in my office in LA having done the E3 visa 3 times over and every time without fail I've gone to the consulate for my interview, they have asked for proof of degree or 12 years experience. not sure how you got around that one. From visa website:
"U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, 8 CFR 214.2(h)(4)(iii)(D), describes the kind and amount of experience which can be used to establish the equivalency of a university degree. As a guide, three years of professional experience may generally be used as a substitute for each year of university-level education. This means you would need to show 12 years' experience in the field you are applying to work in. During their visa interviews, applicants for U.S. work visas should be prepared to provide documentation outlining their work history, education, and training. A consular officer will determine whether the educational and employment information provided meets the eligibility requirements for a U.S. visa."
"U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, 8 CFR 214.2(h)(4)(iii)(D), describes the kind and amount of experience which can be used to establish the equivalency of a university degree. As a guide, three years of professional experience may generally be used as a substitute for each year of university-level education. This means you would need to show 12 years' experience in the field you are applying to work in. During their visa interviews, applicants for U.S. work visas should be prepared to provide documentation outlining their work history, education, and training. A consular officer will determine whether the educational and employment information provided meets the eligibility requirements for a U.S. visa."
2 helicopter and 2 airline
Well you can use a combination of, so if you studied for 3 years and worked for 3 years you could meet the requirements (assuming you have all the qualifications for the job etc.)
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All the US consular official wanted to see was my job offer letter from the US employer and the Labor Condition Application. Did you have this when you applied for the visa? The whole US visa interview process took all of 5 minutes. I spent longer going through security than i did talking to the consular official.
