NZ and the 779
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NZ and the 779
In another forum there is a posting claiming "a strong rumor" that NZ has ordered 10 779's and that the announcement may be at the Paris show.
This would not entirely surprise me given their intent to fly deeper into the USA. The present 77w/789 fleet is good for between 16 and 17hrs which will not cut it in my view. Anybody with in sights on this?
This would not entirely surprise me given their intent to fly deeper into the USA. The present 77w/789 fleet is good for between 16 and 17hrs which will not cut it in my view. Anybody with in sights on this?
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The 772s will need to start to disappear about then so sounds about right. Well something has to replace them, they are a growing airline unlike QF who just hangs on to old birds, retires them then handballs the flying to J*.
I despair. When o when are they going to realise that they are an "end of line" operator, servicing a small population.
Someone obviously needs to spend some time in a mail room or on the blunt side of an accountants pencil, to learn how it all really happens.
Tongue out of cheek. Go you good thing.
Someone obviously needs to spend some time in a mail room or on the blunt side of an accountants pencil, to learn how it all really happens.
Tongue out of cheek. Go you good thing.
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The 772's are up for replacement, that much is certain and has been publicly announced in the above linked article.
The 787-10 seems the most likely to me in terms of lead time and commonality. The 777x is an option on the table, but I suspect it's too far away. Lastly, the A350 has also been mentioned, but I suspect the cost of adding another fleet will be prohibitive compared to a 787-9/10 mixed fleet.
The 787-10 seems the most likely to me in terms of lead time and commonality. The 777x is an option on the table, but I suspect it's too far away. Lastly, the A350 has also been mentioned, but I suspect the cost of adding another fleet will be prohibitive compared to a 787-9/10 mixed fleet.
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The 772's are up for replacement, that much is certain and has been publicly announced in the above linked article.
That being said, I'd be surprised if it were more 789's replacing them. The 787-10 seems the most likely to me in terms of lead time and commonality. The 777x is another option on the table, but I suspect it's too far away. Lastly, the A350 has also been mentioned, but I suspect the cost of adding another fleet will be prohibitive compared to a 787-9/10 mixed fleet.
The 789 has been servicing us well, but on some of the freight heavy 772 routes (i.e. HKG) it wouldn't be ideal.
That being said, I'd be surprised if it were more 789's replacing them. The 787-10 seems the most likely to me in terms of lead time and commonality. The 777x is another option on the table, but I suspect it's too far away. Lastly, the A350 has also been mentioned, but I suspect the cost of adding another fleet will be prohibitive compared to a 787-9/10 mixed fleet.
The 789 has been servicing us well, but on some of the freight heavy 772 routes (i.e. HKG) it wouldn't be ideal.
So they did... my bad. Edited my original post. I'd be surprised if we've already placed an order. Perhaps all this recent talk of evaluating the 3 options is all smoke and mirrors, but depending on who you talk to, we need a replacement sooner than we could get 779's.
Wait and see I suppose.
Wait and see I suppose.
the 787-10, like the first 777-200and the (non ER) 777-300 doesn't have the range that NZ needs.
The 779, well, that's a big bird, only a couple of routes could justify it. More 789s I reckon.
The 779, well, that's a big bird, only a couple of routes could justify it. More 789s I reckon.
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I despair. When o when are they going to realise that they are an "end of line" operator, servicing a small population.
QATAR has a non-stop from Doha to Auckland...
Making it too expensive or simply not enough room to park the aircraft in AUS doesnt help.
Here is an article: http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...south-america/
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Don't overlook the fact that 3 77W are returnable to the leasor in FY2019-2021. If NZ elect to return I can't see them replacing with an aircraft with less capability. Boeing have a production plan that will have slots available early in the production cycle. With the ME3 appearing to be spreading deliveries out this has to open up additional slots.
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Qatar might not need all their aircraft slots soon....😈
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Well-known NZ shill GT and his wife just flew PER-AKL-LAX-LHR as a guest of NZ and are heading to the Paris Air Show so I suspect there will be a significant new order announced.
My two cents is that the rumour is bs. They have issued an RFI and not yet at RFP stage. The 78-10 doesn't have the range, the 78-9 doesn't have the cargo capacity and the 77-9 is too large. Probably comes down to 77-8 or A350-900 or A350-1000.
Call me cynical... or perhaps gullible... but I can't see why they'd be making media releases and internal memo's about 772 replacement options if they've already placed an order. Perhaps they're not ready to announce it, and it's all a ploy but I fail to see why.
Our 789's are now being delivered with a higher capacity Business cabin, which suggests they're going to be entering the North American market. With a similar range to the 779, the question on my mind is, assuming we start ULR flying, will it be on the 789 or a new type?
The 787-10 might not have the range we need for proposed new routes, but it would free up the 789 for ULR flying while giving us increased capacity to Asia.
All speculation of course, as I'm honestly not sure what time frame we could start receiving 779's or when we want to push further into North America. Either way, new Aircraft and routes is always encouraging.
I've also heard talk of CYYZ, which would require a 778 or 772LR
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I believe Luxon said in Sydney that this RFI relates to a replacement for the 77E
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But then again I have been wrong. Once.