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Old 23rd May 2018, 23:41
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Those figures are your base salary Rotten Tommy but you need to be aware you'll lose at least 5% off those figures in union and Super fees.

I've never based any job I've had on allowances as its just setting you up for failure. Like I mentioned at the start though allowances range from $0-500 per pay, a safe average is around $380 a fortnight.
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Old 25th Feb 2019, 23:57
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Are Australian ATPL subjects recognised for the purposes of pay scale?
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 00:05
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note to the Ozzies looking, super is salary sacrificed in NZ
There's no such thing as salary sacrifice in NZ - the employee contribution comes out of your net (rather than gross) pay. Your employer super contributions are also taxed (employer superannuation contribution tax). Compared to the Ozmates, we get a pretty raw deal.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 03:12
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Are Australian ATPL subjects recognised for the purposes of pay scale?
Yes, sort of. You have to transfer your licence to a NZ CAA issued one. If you have an Aussie ATPL then you can get a NZ one under the TTMRA. Just need to get an NZ class one medical.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 19:13
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Originally Posted by aviator777 View Post
Are Australian ATPL subjects recognised for the purposes of pay scale?
If you are referring to getting 3rd year FO pay for having completed your ATPL subjects (or for progressing past Year 5 scale), then no... it would need to be NZ ATPL subjects.

or as stipulated above, you'd need to have a full oz ATPL issued and convert it over.
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Old 26th Feb 2019, 23:03
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Thank you for the quick replies RHSaLI and Slezy9!

Yes I was asking in terms of pay scale.

If you have a link for the Collective Agreements for turboprop and jet fleets it would appreciated, or the equivalent NZ body to FWA in Australia and I can do the searching :-)

Many thanks.
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Old 27th Feb 2019, 02:22
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Collective agreements are not publicly available like they are on OZ. Hopefully someone can send you a copy, otherwise you could try your luck through NZALPA although I'm not sure how much you will have as a non member.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 02:41
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Visas for Indian Pilots...

I hear Air NZ are looking to/want to interview and sponsor Indian pilots for the links airlines.....
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 04:09
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Originally Posted by ka_pai View Post
I hear Air NZ are looking to/want to interview and sponsor Indian pilots for the links airlines.....
A NZ CAA licence is obviously the equivalent of an Indian DGCA licence then
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 06:23
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Originally Posted by ka_pai View Post
I hear Air NZ are looking to/want to interview and sponsor Indian pilots for the links airlines.....
Recent rumours suggest this might be the case, yes. Nothing official however.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 08:07
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Will it be a B or I scale for them?
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 08:07
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Originally Posted by ka_pai View Post
I hear Air NZ are looking to/want to interview and sponsor Indian pilots for the links airlines.....

That'll be an interesting experience, and I say that from experience.

Then there's the New Zealand nationals who Air New Zealand have turned their nose up at, quite a few of whom would have been eminently suitable candidates. I wonder how they'll feel about foreigners getting a gig? Mind you most of them have gone and got good jobs elsewhere.

What's happened to the programme Air New Zealand was running with the 5 favoured training organisations? I thought that was going to be a steady source of new pilots for the Air New Zealand group, or was that another HR "good idea" which I'd rather suspect is what the Indian pilot idea is.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 08:09
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Originally Posted by troppo View Post
A NZ CAA licence is obviously the equivalent of an Indian DGCA licence then
On paper may be, since they're both ICAO licences, but practice may show otherwise in a few instances.
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Old 4th Mar 2019, 18:05
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Hi all,
I am looking at the prop fleet as a retirement job for a last few years once returning to NZ.
How long are the expected upgrade times for experienced new joiners?
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 02:36
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Hi all,
I am looking at the prop fleet as a retirement job for a last few years once returning to NZ.
How long are the expected upgrade times for experienced new joiners?
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Probably about the same as any other new joiners unless you have time on type and they need Captains when those ahead of you don't meet company/legislative requirements, then it can vary wildly.

From what I've observed recently for Mt Cook on the ATR it has been about 3 years but that has been during a period of expansion, the time to command may be drawing out again. Once upon a time you had to wait for someone to retire before a command came up. NM isn't the job it once was and there's probably not a large proportion of lifer captains anymore.

Air Nelson on the Dash 8, from what I've heard, has been about the same time frame.

In both cases times will probably vary depending on what base you're in or prepared to move to.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 20:03
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Many thanks...
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Old 7th Mar 2019, 10:25
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Hi all,
I am looking at the prop fleet as a retirement job for a last few years once returning to NZ.
How long are the expected upgrade times for experienced new joiners?
regards
As far as I'm aware, JQ Regional are still taking direct entry captains. Might be worth a look
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 03:40
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Originally Posted by 27/09 View Post
Probably about the same as any other new joiners unless you have time on type and they need Captains when those ahead of you don't meet company/legislative requirements, then it can vary wildly.

From what I've observed recently for Mt Cook on the ATR it has been about 3 years but that has been during a period of expansion, the time to command may be drawing out again. Once upon a time you had to wait for someone to retire before a command came up. NM isn't the job it once was and there's probably not a large proportion of lifer captains anymore.

Air Nelson on the Dash 8, from what I've heard, has been about the same time frame.

In both cases times will probably vary depending on what base you're in or prepared to move to.

Not entirely accurate...............Commands are going at around 20-24 months at the moment but it's dependent on a number of things.

1. You need 1000 hours Part 121 (or greater)
2. 2 x successful OCA checks (6 monthly check not including type rating check) with no 2 grades
3. Where you are prepared to move to (Napier asap)

How quickly you can get to that magical 1000 hours depends on you! A couple of the boys sacrificed annual leave and used bidding well to get there quickly. However given the extreme surplus of FOs, lack of Captains and drain on the Training Department (great guys and girls) the 1000 on type may be difficult to get quickly.

Unfortunately you are correct that it's not the job it once was but at least you don't have to wait 7-10 years for a command anymore either haha. It's still a great job. People there are good, training is top notch, and the conditions are still pretty good (but are sliding due to lack of pay and pay increases).

Edit to correct auto-correct typo of 125 as opposed to 121 (correct)

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Old 8th Mar 2019, 08:25
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That'll be an interesting experience, and I say that from experience.

Then there's the New Zealand nationals who Air New Zealand have turned their nose up at, quite a few of whom would have been eminently suitable candidates. I wonder how they'll feel about foreigners getting a gig? Mind you most of them have gone and got good jobs elsewhere.

What's happened to the programme Air New Zealand was running with the 5 favoured training organisations? I thought that was going to be a steady source of new pilots for the Air New Zealand group, or was that another HR "good idea" which I'd rather suspect is what the Indian pilot idea is.
Get ready for lots of non standard RT, stepping on others on initial frequency changes, requests for “where are we in the queue” “we are very late sir..request priority” and lots of chat on 121.5 regarding all things IPL.
Lets not mention whether or not if their licenses’ were obtained legally.


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Old 8th Mar 2019, 18:01
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Upgrade to command will be as quick as 12-18months if you have requirements, think only correction to the above is you need 1000hrs 121, not 125
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