Tigerair fleet change to B737.
Even if it's for more than just getting the 737 up and running Willie, the deed that was signed prevents them from hiring permanent employees until such time as the deed is active and everyone in the Virgin group has had their opportunity to shuffle their chairs if they so choose. THEN, and only then, can a contractor be offered a permanent position, with a DOJ effective from the day they stopped being a contractor. And for any contract Captains, they can't retain their position as Captains beyond their contract.
Keep in mind that 80 may seem like a high number, but they still haven't gotten rid of any A320's, so they still need crew to fly the A320's while the existing crews are trained on the 737. There will be an excess of crew at some point (without taking into account any attrition), but the whole point of the contracts is so that once it's all done, then they can get rid of this excess when it's no longer needed.
So it sounds like any info you have is just to stir the pot.
morno
Keep in mind that 80 may seem like a high number, but they still haven't gotten rid of any A320's, so they still need crew to fly the A320's while the existing crews are trained on the 737. There will be an excess of crew at some point (without taking into account any attrition), but the whole point of the contracts is so that once it's all done, then they can get rid of this excess when it's no longer needed.
So it sounds like any info you have is just to stir the pot.
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Nah Willie, I don't think they really are laughing, not even sure if its a factor if they have it or not. JQ may be taking guys from TT with 320 type rating, they still make them do the type rating again regardless. I have had mates start with couple thousand hrs on the 320 at JQ and they were still made to do it all again in the U.K.
Nah Willie, I don't think they really are laughing, not even sure if its a factor if they have it or not. JQ may be taking guys from TT with 320 type rating, they still make them do the type rating again regardless. I have had mates start with couple thousand hrs on the 320 at JQ and they were still made to do it all again in the U.K.
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I have a colleague that went over to JQ from TT and the type rating was fully recognised. They only had to do 4-6 sims from memory then a small amount of line training.
From my understating the deed was put in place to allow VA pilots to come across when there were talks of redundancies. This obviously never eventuated and now VA are 150ish pilots short therefore making the deed null and void. The big kick in the teeth for the contractors is that virgin are currently hiring pilots and that means that the pilots they hire or soon will hire will have seniority in the group over the contractors. This is particularly frustrating for them considering many contract pilots wish to stay on.
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they still make them do the type rating again regardless.
What utter rubbish. I went across with many thousands of hours on the bus but was never asked to do a new type rating. 4 sim sessions.
Had they requested such I would have told them where to stick it and not leave my previous job!
Had they requested such I would have told them where to stick it and not leave my previous job!
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I guess I just don't get it. What part of "contract" implies anything other than "contract"? Things in the greater wide world can change overnight. Companies change their mind overnight. Jesus, had you been keeping track of the mismanagement goings on at Virgin over the last 2 years, why on earth would you take anything at face value?
You sign the contract, if you agree to what is in it, you work it, and you move on. Or stay if the opportunity presents. The terms are in the contract. As for VA employing on the 737 now, if you like the look of that, you can always apply. The grass isn't always greener.
You sign the contract, if you agree to what is in it, you work it, and you move on. Or stay if the opportunity presents. The terms are in the contract. As for VA employing on the 737 now, if you like the look of that, you can always apply. The grass isn't always greener.
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Titan Slave - ROFL!
What's going on defies belief both within, and from outside of the aviation community. And it's not just pilots. There's countless FAs doing SFA as well.
No sims carried out in June, none rostered in July - because they "need THE GUYS to fly" - "the guys" being the Training Captains?? Who knows. But if that's the case, wouldn't you hold off for another month or two, train up normal Captains and FO's, allowing normal crew to fly the planes while the training crew continued to train??
As for the contractors taking their type rating to VA, I'd have to agree with porch monkey about the colour of the grass...JT leaving unplanned with Blunty taking the slack temporarily, JB's "Better Business Plan" - the VA GROUP (not just the airline) seem like they're sailing without a Captain at the moment
What's going on defies belief both within, and from outside of the aviation community. And it's not just pilots. There's countless FAs doing SFA as well.
No sims carried out in June, none rostered in July - because they "need THE GUYS to fly" - "the guys" being the Training Captains?? Who knows. But if that's the case, wouldn't you hold off for another month or two, train up normal Captains and FO's, allowing normal crew to fly the planes while the training crew continued to train??
As for the contractors taking their type rating to VA, I'd have to agree with porch monkey about the colour of the grass...JT leaving unplanned with Blunty taking the slack temporarily, JB's "Better Business Plan" - the VA GROUP (not just the airline) seem like they're sailing without a Captain at the moment
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Hello viewers
Can anyone provide insight as to why so many pilots are on the ground yet still being paid a full wage?
Why didn't TT establish a hold pool of pilots?
Is the reason TT pilots are being paid to do nothing, because there is a WORLDwide shortage of 737 sim time?
Why are TT still hiring, despite this worldwide shortage of sim time?
Is it ALSO a case of TT trying to uptake pilots now, and thus drying out the amount of pilots available to other airlines, ensuring the businesses viability in time to come?
Something just doesn't add up. The VA group are bleeding money unnecessarily. It's like big change is coming and TT, VA, and the VA group are trying to keep a lid on it for as long as possible. Oh to be a fly on the wall in JB/Blunty's office...
Can anyone provide insight as to why so many pilots are on the ground yet still being paid a full wage?
Why didn't TT establish a hold pool of pilots?
Is the reason TT pilots are being paid to do nothing, because there is a WORLDwide shortage of 737 sim time?
Why are TT still hiring, despite this worldwide shortage of sim time?
Is it ALSO a case of TT trying to uptake pilots now, and thus drying out the amount of pilots available to other airlines, ensuring the businesses viability in time to come?
Something just doesn't add up. The VA group are bleeding money unnecessarily. It's like big change is coming and TT, VA, and the VA group are trying to keep a lid on it for as long as possible. Oh to be a fly on the wall in JB/Blunty's office...
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because there is a WORLDwide shortage of 737 sim time?
Boeing in Brisbane are definitely not running their sims 24 hours a day. Whether this is due to a lack of instructors is possible but since I am not seeing adverts for sim instructors then I doubt it.
Is the reason TT pilots are being paid to do nothing, because there is a WORLDwide shortage of 737 sim time?
You're very interested in the whole Tigerair 737 thing aren't you PNF.
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Can anyone provide insight as to why so many pilots are on the ground yet still being paid a full wage?
Why are TT still hiring, despite this worldwide shortage of sim time?
Is it ALSO a case of TT trying to uptake pilots now, and thus drying out the amount of pilots available to other airlines, ensuring the businesses viability in time to come?
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morno - I try to keep my ear to the ground. Am interested to see what others can add to the topic.
Icarus - that's the reason I've heard. I saw the VA sim roster about a month ago which showed buggerall excess availability - something like 2 hours excess per week or per month, I can't remember. Apart from that it was flat out. I know TT sent a lot of pilots to Miami for their initial type rating.
Have either of you, or any others, got any other reason why an airline would give away in excess of $6m per annum, when the groups books heavily feature red already, for employees to sit at home doing nothing?
Or any of my other questions?
Icarus - that's the reason I've heard. I saw the VA sim roster about a month ago which showed buggerall excess availability - something like 2 hours excess per week or per month, I can't remember. Apart from that it was flat out. I know TT sent a lot of pilots to Miami for their initial type rating.
Have either of you, or any others, got any other reason why an airline would give away in excess of $6m per annum, when the groups books heavily feature red already, for employees to sit at home doing nothing?
Or any of my other questions?
There's no conspiracy PNF. Management just completely mismanaged the whole thing. Yes, they're being paid for doing nothing but that's not their fault. Some management turkey should take a fall for it but in the usual fashion they got promoted! Go figure...........
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You have to be kidding, re -
Administrative flexibility behind Tigerair USA traffic rights | Australian Aviation
Administrative flexibility behind Tigerair USA traffic rights | Australian Aviation
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How do they get around the Air Navigation Act? Being owned by VAA means that TT is more than 50% foreign owned I would have thought. Same issue that brought them a cropper in Indonesia
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Tiger is 100% owned by an Australian listed company that's why, forget Virgin's shareholding for a minute it's not Tiger. The Etihad/Singapore etc relationship is irrelevant.
From what I gather Tiger is controlled by Virgin. Etihad et al have no say. In saying this who profits in Tiger's earnings?
From what I gather Tiger is controlled by Virgin. Etihad et al have no say. In saying this who profits in Tiger's earnings?
What's the problem 737pnf?
It's only an administrative thing. Quite smart if you ask me. Why restrict yourself for future possibilities?
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It's only an administrative thing. Quite smart if you ask me. Why restrict yourself for future possibilities?
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Why?
Because the application probably cost them money. Money that they don't have.
At the very least, it cost resources within HQ time. Time (and money?) that JB/Blunty/PW should be investing in resources to perfect the 737 operation, instead of getting ready for what would require an additional type on the AOC
Because the application probably cost them money. Money that they don't have.
At the very least, it cost resources within HQ time. Time (and money?) that JB/Blunty/PW should be investing in resources to perfect the 737 operation, instead of getting ready for what would require an additional type on the AOC