Tigerair fleet change to B737.

[porch monkey]

A.P. Firstly, I have NEVER heard of an engineer doing that. You admit yourself it was heresay anyway. Ultimately, the dispatcher's final task before push is to ensure all external doors, hatches etc are closed. He has the wherewithal to do so. So how that is going to delay a flight is a bit hard to figure. I know you hate VA, and I agree with some of what you have to say, but sometimes dude, have a think before you post utter crap.

[SRM]

Originally Posted by skiinoz

Just commenting on a forum SRM, and I would say I am eminently qualified to do so. Why don't you wind your neck in, and as I said wait for October. 😜

That comment sounds very British, Immmmmmmm.

[Bellcrank 74]

Originally Posted by skiinoz

Virgin will be doing the maintenance for tiger after October, double the cost of the previous provider, VT engineers are on A320 courses now. Who makes this stuff up! "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Does no one in that organisation look back at what they did with the ATR's. Multiple AOG's because the engineers (all on 170k+) were, to busy, couldn't be arsed or didn't have a clue what they were doing. Watch Tigers maint costs and delays skyrocket after October.

Stick with your A350's

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by porch monkey

A.P. Firstly, I have NEVER heard of an engineer doing that. You admit yourself it was heresay anyway. Ultimately, the dispatcher's final task before push is to ensure all external doors, hatches etc are closed. He has the wherewithal to do so. So how that is going to delay a flight is a bit hard to figure. I know you hate VA, and I agree with some of what you have to say, but sometimes dude, have a think before you post utter crap.

It was not hearsay, it was an actual incident and not the only one that I could list. I however painted it as 'vague' because I do not wish to go into chapter and verse, just offering an item that comes from personal experience that was not the only example - the reason I posted it is because I never heard of it happening before either (in any other airline I have personal experience of). There are idiots in every airline I am sure, nay, in every workplace but some of the things I've seen are nothing more than people being obtuse and arrogant which is why I posted it as the experience and others was one particular group (not all obviously) that just defied belief in terms of arrogance and obscure excuse-generating apparatus along with certain management who would do nothing about it.

[737pnf]

I wondered if any of you can confirm my latest whisperings?

TT have so heavily (internally) recruited pilots for their 737 fleet, that they've had to recruit 320 pilots, while the 7'3 cohort (most of them who hold a 320 TR) earn a full wage for doing nothing...

TT sent a handful of new recruits to the sims in akl for their 320 TR

The NZ 320 sims aren't on the CASA register as an approved training provider, so the TT 320 recruits also join the enviable position of earning a full wage and...doing nothing

Do any of you have your ears so accurately tuned to respond to this?

[morno]

I highly doubt CASA would not recognise a type rating conducted by a NZ company.

The sim doesn't have to be approved by CASA (unless things have changed with Part 61, I don't know. I did my TR pre-part 61), it only has to be approved by an authority that CASA recognises or some words to that affect. In this case, the NZ CAA.

So I don't know if your rumour is very accurate.

From the guys I speak to in Tiger, they're flat out on the 320's.

morno

[Pastor of Muppets]

Shouldn't this be in the GA forum?

[Water Wings]

Originally Posted by 737pnf

I wondered if any of you can confirm my latest whisperings?

TT have so heavily (internally) recruited pilots for their 737 fleet, that they've had to recruit 320 pilots, while the 7'3 cohort (most of them who hold a 320 TR) earn a full wage for doing nothing...

TT sent a handful of new recruits to the sims in akl for their 320 TR

The NZ 320 sims aren't on the CASA register as an approved training provider, so the TT 320 recruits also join the enviable position of earning a full wage and...doing nothing

Do any of you have your ears so accurately tuned to respond to this?

Considering JQ sometimes use the Air New Zealand A320 sims in Auckland, that element of any rumour would not stack up.

[Chocks Away]

737pnf - Air EnZed is a "recognised Training Organisation" which meets/exceeds CASA requirements. I utilised them many years ago with a 777 Sim Recurrent check.

[737pnf]

I THINK is was a Part 61 thing, but I didn't get all the info

Thanks for clearing that up

[Chocks Away]

Bro'town has been Part 61 compliant for a long time and now Australia is... in it's own peculiar way so it's one in the same now but wasn't an issue previously either.

Jump on the CASA website to search for "Recognised Training Organisations" or search the Air'Bro Academy website for it's Foreign approvals. Simples

[Aloha_KSA]

... Thread going askew... IMHO the 737s going to Tigerair, the contract-only hiring of new pilots at Tigerair... the "fleet consolidation" at Virgin. Big picture: Downsize Virgin domestic and shift to Tigerair to be staffed with pilots from Virgin group seniority list. Lay off the contractors. "Thank you for coming. Best of luck." Any thoughts?

[coaldemon]

Probably not far from the actual outcome whether intended or not by TT and VA Management

[Falling Leaf]

Freeze on any VA pilots going to TT until Jul 18 as VA are already 250 odd pilots short.

[porch monkey]

May or may not be true Aloha. But when you sign a contract that says 12 or 18 months do you expect lifetime employment?

[Icarus2001]

as VA are already 250 odd pilots short.

There are plenty of ODD pilots around.

It would appear VA are now recruiting externally on to the B737 again.

[Aloha_KSA]

Originally Posted by porch monkey

May or may not be true Aloha. But when you sign a contract that says 12 or 18 months do you expect lifetime employment?

Begs a question, though: if VA is so short, why the contract pilot hiring at Tiger?

[porch monkey]

Originally to get the 737 operation up and running, hence the time limited contracts. Given the complete cluster**** it has become, now your guess is as good as mine.......

[morno]

The agreement signed earlier this year or late last year (can't remember when it was already), enables TT and VA crew to go between either from July next year, but protects command upgrades for existing TT crew (those on the seniority list as at April last year).

This was all covered some time ago. Appears some people have short memories.

morno

[porch monkey]

Given the information you've been given from various sources above, I guess you'd be wrong.